Have the wheels come off St.jacinda of NZ

[Radyward]

What!!! spraying protesters including women and childrem with water outside parliament Classing all protestors as loony anti vaxers.no sign of liftimg restrictions ' quite the opposite. Polls plummeting. She is completely nightmarish tho 53 deaths is amazing. Nz is now so woke no one with any brain or indepent thought will go there to holiday / work. She is on a power trip to end all. Poor kiwis

@SmorgasBorb Oh god, that's reminding me of a poster with similar obsessions I encountered a while back. Perhaps a name change. I'll back away quickly.

Woke’s a really useful term.

I’ve never heard it used non-ironically by anyone who wasn’t a total arsehole. Exactly the types who were previously screeching about ‘political correctness gone mad’. Usually racist.

A handy red flag.

Not this again. Bore off. People will literally find anything to moan about.

I'd say it's used to describe people who follow an intolerant, performative, moralising ideology, which is usually incompatible with the complexity of the real world and often hypocritical.

That could just as easily apply to a majority of Daily Mail readers. Are they all ‘woke’ too then?

Perfectly put! I was about to post a counter argument to OP, but this is far more eloquent!
Made to giggle, so thank you!

and we are talking about people who chose to live outside NZ.

I support nearly all of the policy NZ has put in place, even the early stages of MIQ. The shenanigans it has become, and the populism of charging for it, though, are cruel and inhumane.

"Choosing to live outside New Zealand" isn't a crime punishable by having one's right to return suspended or revoked, and the decision (yes, it was a decision) not to increase MIQ capacity, safety and efficiency has been the reason for many a situation that people would not have banked on.

I "chose to live outside New Zealand" because despite Helen Clark's 'riding the knowledge wave' conference in 2001 there is little knowledge work in New Zealand, and I had the choice to go on the dole, or make something better of myself. I have paid tax in NZ since I left on the home I thought I might come back to. Unlike many who left, I paid off the student loan (that the government charged me 9% interest on while I was a student). I chose not to go further than Australia, so that I was close and could maintain family ties, and my family and I have visited 2-3 times a year in the entire 15 years I've been here, until the pandemic. We typically spent $5k each year in the NZ economy at Christmas. My kids have been heartbroken at the disruption to their relationships with family, and we did as much as we could--my Mum doing MIQ once, and us visiting during the bubble. I don't think we should have been allowed to visit multiple times a year for free, or come and go at will. Knowing we could get home if we desperately needed to for financial or family reasons, and being able to promise the kids a visit at some point would have been nice though. But hey, I chose to live outside NZ, so I can just fuck off, eh?

@Unpopular37

Perfectly put! I was about to post a counter argument to OP, but this is far more eloquent! Made to giggle, so thank you!

Just to clarify, this comment was in response to kitkat151's post

Nz is now so woke no one with any brain or indepent thought will go there to holiday / work

Those who use woke as an insult are usually wallies. The Daily Mail/GB News mentality is not 'independent thought'.

Always amusing to read stuff like this, as someone who actually lives in NZ. This is a democracy, JA is who the majority elected. So what if you think she's a mad dictator, you don't have to live here, and she will be voted out next year if NZ decide so. No need for pity!

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

Is there nothing you lot won’t squeeze the word ‘woke’ into? I’m sick to fuck if hearing this word. It’s completely meaningless.

Amazing isn’t it.

I’m yet to meet someone use the word woke to describe someone/a group who isn’t a racist. This particular OP clearly thinks nazis should be left to express their vile views. I wonder if the OP would also be happy for someone to purposely force their car off the road, or can we only punish women who don’t support nazi ideology.

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

Is there nothing you lot won’t squeeze the word ‘woke’ into? I’m sick to fuck if hearing this word. It’s completely meaningless.

Hahahaha THIS.

@CallItLoneliness I agree with you the continuing of MIQ was too draconian but given the rise of sonjc Ron they were very wary of new variants.
Similarly for people like myself who chose to come and live in Nz. One doesn't move half way around the world around from friends and family thinking they may not be able to return for many years. We made our choice is a pre pandemic society but had all of our choices removed.
I think the Nz government has made some excellent decisions but it's gone on far too long and the Reduction in MIQ spots is terrible. Thankfully there is light in the the next month or so for you.

@Wordleone that is an absolute lie. I'm here right now and there are no faeces anyway! Barry Soper even walked around yesterday and interviewd people, he was later on newstalk with Heather Allen duPlessis and he said it was a very clean respectful crowd. The mud is only there because Trevor Mallard soaked the lawn trying t move protesters. Horrible man. People have laid down carpet and hay in an attempt to save the lawn and do as little damage to the lawns as possible. Local shops are being supported by people purchasing food and drink for the protesters. Plenty of the protesters HAVE been vaccinated and they still lost their businesses and homes due to the lockdowns. Go visit and go for a walk and SPEAK to people before you write such lies.

@Wordleone Our death figures are still amazingly low. We had about 53 people die and even though we have a much lower population of around 5.3 million, scaling roughly to the UK population by multiplying by 13 this would have corresponded to a UK death toll of 689. The UK death toll is around 160,000.

689....thats about the same as the nz suicide rate for last year. Jacinda has blood on her hands and needs to be held accountable.

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

Is there nothing you lot won’t squeeze the word ‘woke’ into? I’m sick to fuck if hearing this word. It’s completely meaningless.

👏👏👏👏👏

"Choosing to live outside New Zealand" isn't a crime punishable by having one's right to return suspended or revoked

Your right to return has never actually been suspended or revoked and nobody has accused you of a crime.

the decision (yes, it was a decision) not to increase MIQ capacity, safety and efficiency has been the reason for many a situation that people would not have banked on.
Does the fact that the decision resulted in unexpected circumstance

there is little knowledge work in New Zealand, and I had the choice to go on the dole, or make something better of myself.
Leaving aside the tacit insult to all NZ-based knowledge workers, you must be in a rather specialised field if 'the dole' or 'overseas' were your only possible work futures.

I have paid tax in NZ since I left on the home I thought I might come back to.
So... you're a landlord and you have, in the time you've been away, rented out a capital asset and fulfilled the legal requirement to pay tax on the income you received (though not the likely large capital gain). BTW you can in fact come back to this home if you want to, you haven't been banned from the country.

Unlike many who left, I paid off the student loan (that the government charged me 9% interest on while I was a student).
A good choice if you were visiting the country 2-3 times a year and didn't want to get arrested for non-payment.

We typically spent $5k each year in the NZ economy at Christmas.

My kids have been heartbroken at the disruption to their relationships with family, and we did as much as we could--my Mum doing MIQ once, and us visiting during the bubble.
So you have in fact been back to New Zealand during the pandemic and your mum has left and come back? So nobody's 'right' to return has actually been revoked, as above?

Knowing we could get home if we desperately needed to for financial or family reasons, and being able to promise the kids a visit at some point would have been nice though. But hey, I chose to live outside NZ, so I can just fuck off, eh?
Financial reasons like having to go on the dole because the rest of the world ran out of the knowledge work you can't do in New Zealand? Or urgent family reasons for which you can apply for an emergency exemption?

What can fuck off is your victim-stancing that you haven't been able to pop back and forth repeatedly for holidays during a global pandemic, because the NZ government has been doing a world-leading job of protecting the health of the people who live here 365 days a year and pay $5K every month on their rent and mortgage and shopping, not just on prezzies and treat during visits at Christmas.

The suicide rate in 2018 was in the 600s as well SecondSwitch. Not sure where you are going with that? How about looking at what the death rate would have been from Covid if we just let it run through from the start - pre vaccine, no restrictions. I can guarantee it would be a lot higher than 689.

The protesters are causing chaos ( am not anti protesters etc…) but they are stopping businesses operating, making a huge mess including bodily fluids etc… I feel that Trevor Mallard playing ridiculous music at them is ridiculous but they should be disbanded. It is not peaceful it is not ok for local residents, they have a right to protest but not to being an area to its knees for over a week.

I’ve voted Labour nearly all my life both in the UK and here, I will no longer be voting Labour here. The vaccine mandates crossed a line for me ( I am fully vaccinated) a nasty division in society between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated has been totally created by this government. They have done a good job keeping the death toll low, but giving exceptions to the rich and famous at the border killed their credibility in my eyes.

The economy is trashed and needlessly so, money was thrown left right and centre in ways it didn’t need to be. No one is doing anything about profiteering supermarkets ( there is an ‘investigation into the duopoly but nothing will happen) , yes we know there are supply line issues, but we grow a serious amount of food, dairy and lamb, we are tripping over the animals but milk, lamb and butter prices are kept artificially high due to the export market ( would be cheaper for me to buy NZ butter in
the UK if you look at exchange rates) … families are really struggling

The main reason I won’t go near Labour is due to the trans issue, in a year we will lose single sex spaces and women will pay the price with their safety, security and privacy.

I am a heartland Labour voter, if people like me have turned I doubt even with proportional representation they will get in again in 2023.

I mean you could have a great leader like Boris !!!

Bring an area… not being an area

Sorry, the above should say

the decision (yes, it was a decision) not to increase MIQ capacity, safety and efficiency has been the reason for many a situation that people would not have banked on.

Does the fact that the decision to maintain MIQ at the same capacity (a decision made FOR safety, if not efficiency in returning as many holidaymaking citizens as possible) resulted in people overseas having to alter their plans mean that it was in fact the wrong one? Do you think people living in New Zealand – ie the people the NZ government is primarily charged with protecting –regard it the same way?

Is mass death and evil destruction the opposite of woke?

Woke means letting former men compete in (and almost always win) women's races. Hence woke is not good.

giving exceptions to the rich and famous at the border killed their credibility in my eyes.

Do you understand that the small number of exceptions made for the 'rich and famous' were because their arrival meant large-scale events and film productions that contributed substantially to the livelihoods of people living here could proceed?

As a New Zealander, do you truly believe that Benedict Cumberbatch shouldn't have been able to come here for the purposes of enabling a $30m+ film to be made since presumably a citizen couldn't come back for a short visit in his place? How would you explain to a local who got to work for 6 months because he was allowed to come here?

Woke means letting former men compete in (and almost always win) women's races. Hence woke is not good.

Will agree with that