Will you self isolate if covid positive test?

[Monopolyiscrap]

Compulsory self-isolation is ending if you test positive with covid. Instead, people are being advised to choose to self-isolate.
In reality, I think many people will not. I would not get paid if I self-isolate but am well enough to work, so why would I forego a week's wages?

So will you self-isolate if you test positive with covid?

YABU - Yes I will self-isolate
YANBU - No I will not self-isolate

* There were posters on here saying for them personally it's not about having to pay the bills. They just don't WANT to test/isolate. How is that not selfish"*

Me. I don’t WANT to
And it’s not for any earnest reason
Other than I don’t WANT to

Speaking of "the science" .. there's an article in the BMJ contrasting the Great Barrington Declaration signatories (GBD advocated very light controls/covid response to avoid disproportionate and worse harms) & John Snow signatories (advocated very strict controls for immediate covid threats).

The article points out that if anything, the GBD signers were a more prestigious & well-qualified AND diversely experienced range of public health scientists, but the JS signers had hugely more social media presence so dominated subsequent public discourse & arguably, policy making.

The article is by a guy (who is a legend in health evidence evaluation circles) who signed the GBD so he would say that, wouldn't he...

So much for "Scientists say..." argument, as though the scientists during pandemic all spoke with one voice, eh?

If I’m unwell, to the extent I am able. So would probably drop my children off at school (short outdoor walk with no need to get close to anyone) and isolate for the rest of the time.

After the best part of two years where I barely knew anyone with covid, in the past two weeks I've come across a handful in my immediate colleagues/their relatives. One child had it for the second time, was ill for about a day or so then was fine and could have gone to school - she tested negative at the earliest point and was then free to go. One 40-ish man was fatigued and mild symptoms, tested positive right up to day nine. One 60-ish man was the most ill he'd been for thirty odd years, like bad flu, and took to his bed for several days. One mid 30s man currently on day six, was rough and unable to work from home for several days with a high fever, on the mend now.

The first two may have got away with treating it like a general cold, but the latter two have been noticeably very unwell and unable to work. But even the chap with mild symptoms was still positive on a lateral flow up to day nine, he felt okay so could have been spreading it around all over the place if he hadn't stayed at home.

As said above, even most vulnerable people experience Covid as a mild illness if they are triple jabbed so we have to look at the bigger picture.

It is not the case that ‘most’ vulnerable people experience it as a mild illness if they are vaccinated. One of the problems for those of us who are termed CEV is that the vaccines have little or no effect. The most we can do to keep safe is to continue observing social distancing, shield as far as possible and wear a good quality mask in public. Those of us who have to work are taking a risk every day. There was a post upthread somewhere which basically said that there has been enough sacrifice to keep the vulnerable safe. The Covid restrictions were NEVER to protect the vulnerable, they were to protect the NHS - protecting the vulnerable was an unintended benefit. I’m not advocating any more lockdowns and I do think that at some point we have to take the next step to normality, but the science simply doesn’t support the pace at which the government is lifting the restrictions. CEV people have spent the last two years fearing for their lives. - it’s a big deal to suddenly have to consider being out in public among people who have Covid and no longer need to isolate, or even wear a mask. A little consideration wouldn’t go amiss.

I’ve noticed that others actions are perceived as “selfish” until the restrictions directly affect the accuser

I had someone forever bleating on about people shouldnt leave the house unless necessary, should wear masks all the time, shouldn't visit vulnerable family blah blah.
Same person went to work throughout, told an advisor that a beard is a natural filter, so the mask that didnt cover the whole beard was just fine, saw elderly parents every week and on and on.
I did have to say something in the end.

@VikingOnTheFridge

'Selfish' is primarily now used by people who've been encouraged over the past couple of years to believe that their version of selfishness is more moral than other people's, and who lack the self awareness to have noticed.

I’m sure cancer patients who were ‘selfish’ because the disease and treatment laid waste to their immune systems and left them wide open to Covid will be thrilled to know they lack self awareness. And as for your assertion upthread that it’s a marker for ignorance to talk about The Science existing outside social and economic factors. Well, at my next clinic appointment I’ll be sure to tell my consultant that she’s totally ignorant to be advising me to shield as far as possible because Covid isn’t over.. This is a very unpleasant thread.

If I can WFH then I will and I'll enjoy being able to take a late night solo walk so I wont see people or touch things. But I wouldn't meet up with people or do school runs knowing I have it.

If I feel I'll yes if not no

@RealBecca

If I can WFH then I will and I'll enjoy being able to take a late night solo walk so I wont see people or touch things. But I wouldn't meet up with people or do school runs knowing I have it.

why are you worried about touching things? touch what?

If I can afford them, then yes. I do not want to enter into the politics of this

I didn't mean it like that @Jolyon1 and I apologise if it came across wrong. I'm just curious about what people will do when they have to pay for tests.

I’m sure cancer patients who were ‘selfish’ because the disease and treatment laid waste to their immune systems and left them wide open to Covid will be thrilled to know they lack self awareness. And as for your assertion upthread that it’s a marker for ignorance to talk about The Science existing outside social and economic factors. Well, at my next clinic appointment I’ll be sure to tell my consultant that she’s totally ignorant to be advising me to shield as far as possible because Covid isn’t over.. This is a very unpleasant thread.

Cancer patients are not a monolith and you do not speak for all of them, so don't conflate the two. There are people who have cancer or are otherwise immunocompromised who understand that other people may also face significant hardship from repeated isolation, and plenty of the selfish people I mention have no health vulnerabilities.

Also, a consultant advising you to shield clearly does not amount to a claim that there exists an indisputable The Science in relation to ongoing pandemic management and that it exists independently of social and economic factors. So probably best you don't call her ignorant.

Yes I would and anyone who wouldn't is a moron a dangerous moron

@THEDEACON

Yes I would and anyone who wouldn't is a moron a dangerous moron

hahahah...yer what??

just posting that twaddle for a reaction methinks!

@THEDEACON has spoken everyone. If you want to keep your job and put food on the table, you’re a moron.

@THEDEACON

Yes I would and anyone who wouldn't is a moron a dangerous moron

But if people aren't testing they won't know, or are you saying people should be buying their tests?

@THEDEACON

Yes I would and anyone who wouldn't is a moron a dangerous moron

Bollocks. Most of us won't even be testing.

Tests will almost certainly no longer be available for free fairly soon.

On the subject of buying tests… we’re a family of 5. So that’s 10 tests for us all to test twice a week. At £30 a box, that’s approx £45 a week. Approx £195 a month.
We can’t be the only family without a spare £195 a month in our budget.

Yes I will.

Yes I would work from home and I would not see other people indoors. I would go outside though.

I'm not testing very regularly, but would test if I had symptoms, or a known contact, or if I was asked to in order to attend something.

so.....we need to suck it up and BUY the tests to tell us if we are positive (in which case we will have been transmitting for daaaays prior to this magical test).....if positive then we are not to go out to work to earn money......so how will we afford the next round of tests....or to feed/provide for our families??

dont we need to be earning to pay for these magical tests?

@IncyWincyGrownUp

Yes I will.

what about the rest of your household?

@ShallWeTalkAboutBruno

On the subject of buying tests… we’re a family of 5. So that’s 10 tests for us all to test twice a week. At £30 a box, that’s approx £45 a week. Approx £195 a month. We can’t be the only family without a spare £195 a month in our budget.

Indeed.

I don't think people have done the maths on this yet, and realised that despite their desire not to be selfish, its a luxury they can't afford.

Hardly anyone will test once you have to pay for them. I would only test when visiting my friend with cancer.

I’ve just worked it out. It would be about £102/month for our family of three to test twice a week. That’s assuming £30 a box is correct of course - I haven’t seen that figure confirmed. So - no. That’s not a cost we can suck up. I suspect we’ll just be getting a box in for when we go to visit very elderly relatives and the like.