Will you self isolate if covid positive test?

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Compulsory self-isolation is ending if you test positive with covid. Instead, people are being advised to choose to self-isolate.
In reality, I think many people will not. I would not get paid if I self-isolate but am well enough to work, so why would I forego a week's wages?

So will you self-isolate if you test positive with covid?

YABU - Yes I will self-isolate
YANBU - No I will not self-isolate

I could say you're selfish for expecting people to potentially go hungry or lose their homes.

I'd love to know when was the last time these posters let their children go hungry for the benefit of people they've never met.

However, I expect the only response to this will be tumbleweed.

@AndAnotherNewOne

So many feeble excuses for selfishness.

If selfish is "overused" it's because there are so many people unable to see beyond their own wants.

The science is saying it isn't yet time. It's Boris' desperate attempt to save his job but so many here are prepared to go along with it so they can force the vulnerable back indoors.

To say nothing of the rising number of cases of Long Covid.

Still as long as you're ok then fuck everyone else, eh?

Read the science and take off the blinkers.

Will you pay my bills if I isolate. Not one you you who've parroted this moronic thinking have actually had the balls to engage with this question. Says a lot about all of you.

Will you pay my bills if I isolate.
Not one you you who've parroted this moronic thinking have actually had the balls to engage with this question. Says a lot about all of you

I did notice offers aren't forthcoming to cover people's bills like.

If people want to isolate from the world then they can get on with it. Don't expect everyone else to though. It's that simple.

@TheKeatingFive

I could say you're selfish for expecting people to potentially go hungry or lose their homes.

I'd love to know when was the last time these posters let their children go hungry for the benefit of people they've never met.

However, I expect the only response to this will be tumbleweed.

Because they are probably the ones who won't suffer financially. They're quite happy to see other people suffer financially though. They're just as "selfish" as the rest of us. I continued to go out to work in a factory this entire time so the comfortable WFHers could get all the stuff they were ordering online and I'm selfish because I'm unfortunate enough to be a single parent with no one else to pay my mortgage for me if I'm not working. They can fuck off.

Yeah I worked throughout it as well. Nobody gave a toss about those of us who have just had to carry on.

Guaranteed it's mostly those who have the luxury of being able to stay at home who are pointing the selfish finger.

There were posters on here saying for them personally it's not about having to pay the bills. They just don't WANT to test/isolate. How is that not selfish

@gamerchick

Yeah I worked throughout it as well. Nobody gave a toss about those of us who have just had to carry on.

Guaranteed it's mostly those who have the luxury of being able to stay at home who are pointing the selfish finger.

Yep. And were the public understanding when production was delayed at my job because people were testing positive and having to isolate? Were they fuck. It was all "businesses using Covid as an excuse for bad service." But now we will be able to continue working even if we have Covid and that's a problem as well it seems!

@AndAnotherNewOne

So many feeble excuses for selfishness.

If selfish is "overused" it's because there are so many people unable to see beyond their own wants.

The science is saying it isn't yet time. It's Boris' desperate attempt to save his job but so many here are prepared to go along with it so they can force the vulnerable back indoors.

To say nothing of the rising number of cases of Long Covid.

Still as long as you're ok then fuck everyone else, eh?

Read the science and take off the blinkers.

It very much depends on which scientist you listen to. Plenty of them thought we went completely mishandled the whole pandemic, and of course, governments will always choose the science that suits their particular narrative. The WHO is presumably full of scientists but don’t forget, they were playing down Covid at the beginning and telling us that we shouldn’t close the borders to China or even wear masks.

It was ‘the scientists’ in Europe that reported the AZ vaccine was dangerous for certain age groups - for purely political reasons - which may have contributed to further deaths while they deliberated.

“Following the science” was always a ridiculous mantra.

‘The Science’ isn’t saying anything, it isn’t a sentient being.
The data can be interpreted differently by different people. Some scientists think it’s too soon, some don’t. Even scientists have an agenda.
Politics also has a role to play. If we lived our lives entirely according to scientific opinion, there would be lots of things that we do now that wouldn’t be ‘allowed’. Driving, for example.
And for those who say ‘they’re prioritising the economy over health’ have no understanding of the impact the economy has on public health.

I would self isolate, because I help care for my father in law and he’s got copd and uses an oxygen tank, and I’m not going to be the one that kills him off. But it is very easy for me to say I will self isolate as I don’t work as I’m a full time carer for my husband.

@Terfydactyl

In your case I believe that the isolation grants should still be available

To get a grant as far as I know requires you to be on a certain list of benefits, I dont know about sahgah but I can tell you I'm not on any. You can be low income but not qualify for a single benefit. The other problem sagah mentioned and you skated over was losing shifts permanently, which would render her job useless.

Any businesses not paying staff if they choose to isolate should be fined or have any grants they have received docked to pay the wages of those who choose to isolate

I reckon the company I work for would fold, they would have folded without the furlough scheme, which would then see several hundred people completely without a job. How would that help going forward?

Middle class families with a good household income but high outgoings with the cost of living crunch maybe as badly affected by this as people on low incomes, such is the reality of things.

They may still only qualify for stat sick pay if they take time off, which is a hefty drop from normal pay, or they may be in a situation where taking time off must be unpaid due to how much time they've taken looking after kids with covid or their job is potentially at risk full stop.

These families are extremely unlikely to be eligible for any of these benefits and even if they are, it may not be an adequate protection at this stage in the pandemic because of the grind of it and how much time they've taken previously.

Lets not get into this myth that problem is one restricted purely to poor working class families. Its really not at this stage.

The fact that people seem to be unaware of this, is part of the 'selfish' issue.

I live in an affluent middle class area - the school has been at pains to stress that they are aware that many families you wouldn't think are struggling have been and they understand and are happy to support and there should not be this sense of shame over it. I think its good they have done this because it serves to regularly remind the tone deaf that the pandemic hasn't been all 'extra family time'.

I think in the context of so many people being unable to isolate going forward with incoming rule changes, the expectation of self isolation is ridiculous. If people can do it, or can be mindful of at least minimising risk then great, but i do really think we need to shift our thinking on this.

We are reaching that point. I do think even the more cautious SAGE will be saying that its viable in a few weeks time. The UKHRA are already saying it and whilst they are a government body they still have to retain some scientific sensibility for their own long term futures and the credibility of the agency which does not just oversee covid but other health threats.

At this point, talking like there's some unified The Science and that it exists outside of economic and social factors is a marker for ignorance. You just sound ridiculous.

@AndAnotherNewOne

So many feeble excuses for selfishness.

If selfish is "overused" it's because there are so many people unable to see beyond their own wants.

The science is saying it isn't yet time. It's Boris' desperate attempt to save his job but so many here are prepared to go along with it so they can force the vulnerable back indoors.

To say nothing of the rising number of cases of Long Covid.

Still as long as you're ok then fuck everyone else, eh?

Read the science and take off the blinkers.

It depends on what you think of as selfish, I would say making our kids miss out on education, people miss out on income, missed birthdays, missed holidays the list goes on is selfish. COVID by and large is now a mild disease thanks to science, it time we used that to our advantage.

Long covid seems to have the same hit rate as EBV post viral fatigue we don't cry about that we tell people it will pass and it does. The difference is we pass it off 90% of the time as lazy teens and twenty something now it's hitting the older generation it's a major disaster.

We all have to die some day I'm here for a fun time not a long time so no I won't be isolating if it isn't a legal requirement. We also won't know we have COVID if we stop testing so it a mute point

'Selfish' is primarily now used by people who've been encouraged over the past couple of years to believe that their version of selfishness is more moral than other people's, and who lack the self awareness to have noticed.

@VikingOnTheFridge

'Selfish' is primarily now used by people who've been encouraged over the past couple of years to believe that their version of selfishness is more moral than other people's, and who lack the self awareness to have noticed.

It’s the go to insult of those who have been sat comfortably in their large homes with large gardens over the past 2 years, being brought stuff by people poorer than them, while patting themselves on the back for keeping people ‘safe’.

Think the title need to be changed to If you live in England
And the English wonder why so many people in other countries get pissed off with some English people’s attitude.
In answer to your question , yes I will continue to self isolate because that’s what my government are asking.

@giggly

Think the title need to be changed to If you live in England And the English wonder why so many people in other countries get pissed off with some English people’s attitude. In answer to your question , yes I will continue to self isolate because that’s what my government are asking.

All countries of the U.K. are likely to drop isolation at some point. The question is still applicable… will you isolate when it’s no longer a legal requirement?

@ShallWeTalkAboutBruno

It’s the go to insult of those who have been sat comfortably in their large homes with large gardens over the past 2 years, being brought stuff by people poorer than them, while patting themselves on the back for keeping people ‘safe

This! This! This!

Thank you for posting. 👏👏👏

@vickyc90

Almost 18 months of my life and my Children’s lives are massively impacted by my Long Covid. It shows no sign of passing... Perhaps you know something medical experts around the world don’t?? Do tell…

We are missing the birthdays the education but we also are on a financial, physical and mental health precipice…

As a result of Long Covid we now have NO INCOME…

And meantime, the NHS long Covid clinic are telling me to rest and meantime not investing in any genuine research …

Some empathy at the very least would be considerate…

I’ve noticed that others actions are perceived as “selfish” until the restrictions directly affect the accuser.

I have a close friend who was a bit of a mask fanatic all the way through. He wouldn’t hesitate to tackle others he thought were disobeying “the rules” and was extremely judgemental on anyone who questioned their use.

Ironically, he was contacted by T&T when the isolation period was 10 days - but he chose to ignore it because it was “inconvenient” for his lifestyle. Wearing a mask is easy, cancelling your work and social life; not so much.

Not testing unless symptons in this house.

I also think that a lot of people who isolate are also primarily made up of people who have the option to work from home/are paid decent sick pay/are financially secure. Easy for them to try and shame others for going out to work when you dont have to worry about paying for bills.

Plus covid isnt like a chicken pox/D&v where youd be really unlucky to get it a second time within a year, if at all. You could catch Covid, take 10 days off, then catch it again within a month. Rinse and repeat. Those on lower wages, statutory sick pay cant afford to take that time off. It absolutely comes down to money.

@WinterGold

I’ve noticed that others actions are perceived as “selfish” until the restrictions directly affect the accuser.

I have a close friend who was a bit of a mask fanatic all the way through. He wouldn’t hesitate to tackle others he thought were disobeying “the rules” and was extremely judgemental on anyone who questioned their use.

Ironically, he was contacted by T&T when the isolation period was 10 days - but he chose to ignore it because it was “inconvenient” for his lifestyle. Wearing a mask is easy, cancelling your work and social life; not so much.

So many examples of people picking and choosing what restrictions they think are valid based only on their subjective preferences. Reminds me of the poster in summer who was choosing to go to a 90 person wedding, with all that entails, but didn't think there should be any singing in the church.

I've no objection to people being selective about what restrictions they observe, but when they think they're in any position to say what others ought to be doing is where the line is crossed.

"There were posters on here saying for them personally it's not about having to pay the bills. They just don't WANT to test/isolate. How is that not selfish"

I don't want to self isolate because I want to leave the house and in particular do outdoor exercise that helps me cope with the stress of being a carer. That is not selfish.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

My family will be testing twice a week for some time to come. This disease killed around 200 people a day in the UK in January this year.

Will you be continuing to test when the tests are no longer free @Jolyon1?

If I can afford them, then yes. I do not want to enter into the politics of this. However I think testing and any effort to reduce transmission are real helps in reducing community incidence of this disease. I also think vaccination is another important factor in reducing the incidence and spread of this disease.

Why is reducing incidence of the disease in the community important?

Well this is a highly unstable virus and can mutate very rapidly. In that it is nothing like other common viruses such as measles, chicken pox etc. It is even faster at mutation than influenza and heaven knows that is problematic enough. However mutation is a chance event and the less virus in the community the less chance it has to mutate in a way that will make it more virulent.

There are two ways that the virus can mutate to injure and kill more people. It can increase its morbidity (how ill it makes you) in the individual, or it can increase its transmissibility (how easy it is to catch it). The latter is the more dangerous by a long chalk and benefits the virus' survival better. And surprise! That's exactly what it's done with Omicron variant. Darwinian evolution in practice.

I realise that compared with the global incidence of the disease we are but a small part of the picture. But I also think anything that anybody can do to help would be great.

And please understand, I am not telling people what to do. So long as people understand the facts and are not being taken in by the mass of misinformation that is out there, then I fully respect the decisions they make.

@savehannah the problem with that is that healthcare staff may be asymptotic because they are generally healthy and immunised however the people they work with tend to be vulnerable which is why they need healthcare. That asymptotic healthcare worker passes it on to the person who is being treated for cancer/ heart problems/ lung problems/autoimmune conditions etc and they can't just shrug it off. It might just make them unwell and delay other treatment but it also might make there condition significantly worse or kill them. This is why healthcare is generally going to be hanging on to preventative measures a bit longer.
DH says his hospital think they will be keeping masks for at least another year or so and testing prior to admission.