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AIBU?

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Part 7.5

998 replies

jgw1 · 11/02/2022 17:37

AIBU to still be enjoying falls?

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DePfeffoff · 12/02/2022 09:20

Is Johnson seriously going to make out that he sat cowering in his study whilst his wife and friends blatantly broke the law partying in the next room, and that he could do nothing to stop them?

DePfeffoff · 12/02/2022 09:20

@cakeorwine

Didn't Boris Johnson use to be Foreign Secretary?
Did you see the words "Johnson apart"?
DuncinToffee · 12/02/2022 09:20

Johnson out is still trending on twitter, day 19

cakeorwine · 12/02/2022 09:24

@DePfeffoff

I wasn't replying as such to your post.

It was more a comment about the fact that Johnson was Foreign Secretary once - and that was just as worrying. I hate to imagine what kind of crap he would come out with.

Cornettoninja · 12/02/2022 09:29

You’d think wouldn’t you @Peregrina? I mean it’s a bad day to get caught out on geography once but to keep doing it suggests that maybe she needs to consider whether she’s capable of the role she’s in (hint - she isn’t). It seems the whole cabinet is so keen to get their pre prepared speech and slogans they’re not even pretending to listen, which isn’t great for diplomacy…

DuncinToffee · 12/02/2022 09:29

There are stories that May blocked him from accessing state secrets as foreign secretary because Downing Street believed he was a security risk.

Cornettoninja · 12/02/2022 09:35

There appears to have been a lot of remarks by the Government that have been misinterpreted

I don’t doubt a lot of that is down to this cabinets inability to communicate in anything other than obvious sound bites constantly. They don’t discuss anything.

I’ve only scratched the surface of looking into how we’re perceived internationally currently and none of it looks good.

In all honesty I’m quite surprised LT didn’t resort to the vaccine rollout when she started looking out of her depth.

ClaudineClare · 12/02/2022 10:03

I’ve only scratched the surface of looking into how we’re perceived internationally currently and none of it looks good

It certainly does not look good at all.

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Notonthestairs · 12/02/2022 10:06

Shock that article! I mean it's not wrong but even so.

ClaudineClare · 12/02/2022 10:16

It is very forthright!

Peregrina · 12/02/2022 11:00

Do you think that Liz Truss realises she is completely out of her depth and is making a fool of herself?

Blossomtoes · 12/02/2022 11:08

[quote cakeorwine]@DePfeffoff

I wasn't replying as such to your post.

It was more a comment about the fact that Johnson was Foreign Secretary once - and that was just as worrying. I hate to imagine what kind of crap he would come out with.[/quote]
He came out with crap that ensured Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is still incarcerated. I don’t know how he sleeps at night.

Peregrina · 12/02/2022 11:20

Am I the only one who thinks that Johnson is spoiling for a fight over Ukraine? It won't be like the Falklands.

BoodyDedalus · 12/02/2022 11:25

We do not really have a table at discussions. Germany and France were talking in Berlin today with Russia and Ukraine. Where were we?

Defence minister Ben Wallace was in Moscow talking with his Russian counterpart. Apparently he went down rather better than the Truss !

BoodyDedalus · 12/02/2022 11:33

DePffeffoff:
Hmm, so when I was working at home all through the pandemic, I could in fact have invited my work colleagues in for a knees-up?

Only if your home was also the workplace of your colleagues - even then, the event would be liable for investigation.

Blossomtoes · 12/02/2022 11:36

Only if your home was also the workplace of your colleagues - even then, the event would be liable for investigation.

That deals with the flat defence then. It might be Johnson’s workplace but it certainly isn’t anyone else’s.

DuncinToffee · 12/02/2022 11:45

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/downing-street-party-scandal-lies-at-every-turn-in-boris-johnsons-political-labyrinth-rjftkbnrh

Behind paywall but Steven Swinford has a thread on it

Times weekend read as Boris Johnson enters the danger zone:

  • PM will not 'do a David Cameron' & quit

  • He believes election mandate trumps FPN. 'He serves at will of people'

*He thinks rivals are too weak to move against him

twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1492430431043608578?s=21

jgw1 · 12/02/2022 11:49

@BoodyDedalus

DePffeffoff: Hmm, so when I was working at home all through the pandemic, I could in fact have invited my work colleagues in for a knees-up?

Only if your home was also the workplace of your colleagues - even then, the event would be liable for investigation.

Can I just check, were all the people at all of these parties in Downing Street, people who live in the building?

I have got a little bit confused by it all.

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InMySpareTime · 12/02/2022 11:56

If you live above a pub, could you have a gathering of all the pub regulars and staff in the pub garden all through lockdown with no social distancing?
If not, why is it different? (Except that in the pub case, alcohol is part of work)

jgw1 · 12/02/2022 12:05

@InMySpareTime

If you live above a pub, could you have a gathering of all the pub regulars and staff in the pub garden all through lockdown with no social distancing? If not, why is it different? (Except that in the pub case, alcohol is part of work)
You could yes, it was fully part of the rules.

In fact many publicans did just that didn't they?

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AuldAlliance · 12/02/2022 12:06

The Secret Tory is a satiric Twitter feed and the PNG articles are a regular feature. Just so that's clear...

The thing about Liz Truss being so shit she is openly trolled by the Russians is this:

many people will think "well, I didn't know those were places in Russia, either", or "the Russians are mean (like the EU)", rather than being horrified at Truss's reckless incompetence. Just as women were prepared to defend Trump's revolting pussy-grabbing remarks. Maybe people have got so used to seeing mediocre people spouting off, gaining fame, bullshitting their way along that they forget politics isn't quite the same thing and the Foreign Minister is meant to be shit hot on foreign affairs, and to revise her Russian geopolitics 101 before hopping on a plane to lecture the Russians while there are actual freaking troops massing on various borders.

It's a bit like people saying it's OK for BJ to have broken his own rules and attended parties because
(1) they broke the rules too, or know people who did and the rules were stupid
(2) what's the definition of a party anyway?
(3) Corbyn
(4) Sturgeon and trans issues
(5) poor old PM, it's a tough job, he had Covid, too, and a tiny baby, and a pandemic no one could have predicted, so they're just glad they didn't have to handle that, and surely he deserved a birthday cake with 100 people who were in the same workplace/home as him, working hard on key issues like, erm, wallpaper?
(6) oh, did he lie in the HoC about it? That cut and thrust, it's so hard to keep up... and he's busy, how can he remember what he said? And everyone knows he lies. But Corbyn.

DuncinToffee · 12/02/2022 12:11

(7) they are all as bad as each other, all politicians lie

AuldAlliance · 12/02/2022 12:14

Yes, I missed that one, sorry. Was struggling for breath Wink.

ClaudineClare · 12/02/2022 12:16

(8) Imagine if Corbyn was dealing with Ukraine.