Part 7.5

[jgw1]

AIBU to still be enjoying falls?

It's ok @BoodyDedalus

I am currently on a thread about energy prices.

Something else that is going to bite Johnson.
Along with NI rises,
And the general cost of living issues.
Party / gathering gate is just one of those issues affecting him.

I am enjoying his downfall.

Nobody has found it. It was fake news. Before you have another attempt at prolonging this pointless matter, you may wish to consider what MNHQ wrote about thread 7

There is no nastiness or unfriendliness in people not wanting to do your research for you. It would be nasty to try to get this thread pulled.

On the subject of energy prices there is a report in the FT today that the poorest/most vulnerable households may not be even be able to access the £200 "loan" due to the type of meters they have.

Nobody has found it. It was fake news. Before you have another attempt at prolonging this pointless matter, you may wish to consider what MNHQ wrote about thread 7

No, what you meant to say there, @BoodyDedalus, is that you haven't looked for it. In fact, you've even been told that a poster found it after very little searching, but you choose to ignore that.

Before you make further "I'll tell on you" threats, you might like to take note of the fact that two of your posts on this thread have already had to be deleted.

I have looked, I could not find it

Did you look everywhere? (Channelling Mum mode)

And that is what is going to happen if people keep trying to insist that messages exist when they don't - MNHQ are likely to regard it as harassment

I really don't think they are.

It doesn’t matter what it is. It’s just the classic derailment that’s been n these threads from the beginning and we keep taking the bait

I think its an important point - how do we keep these threads from being derailed? Pointing it out means certain posters run to MNHQ and cry that people are being unkind and unwelcoming. Which having read some of the AIBU threads this morning alone is a bit rich. Does ignoring certain people count as being unwelcoming? Its happening on all the Johnson threads.

Boody maybe just let it drop and accept that no-one is going to dig out the relevant posts for you. Stop angling to get the thread pulled. Why would you want to do that? We just want to discuss the progress of Johnson's downfall.

It used to happen on the Brexit threads, and usually coincided with periods when the govt/Brexiteers were particularly rattled.

Best tactic is to ignore.

And that is what is going to happen if people keep trying to insist that messages exist when they don't - MNHQ are likely to regard it as harassment.

That would be a truly bizarre definition of harassment. Surely it's more harassing to keep accusing people of making up the existence of posts when they aren't making it up?

A poster claimed to have found one of the messages, but cancelled their post before I read it.

The one I am thinking of has not been cancelled.

Moving away from the derailment, people seem to have assumed that the worst the police can do in relation to the gatherings is existing FPNs. The Bindman's article referenced above indicates that actually they aren't restricted to an FPN, and that there are situations where they can deem it to be in the public interest to institute a full criminal prosecution. There must be a strong public interest in prosecuting someone who is alleged to have repeatedly broken the laws which his government put in place.

Sadly, however, Suella Braverman is such a bootlicker that no doubt she'd issue a nolle prosequi.

issuing FPNs, not existing

@BoodyDedalus

jgw1: Oh, there's a few on these threads quite insistent on defending Johnson and saying that he has done nothing wrong, I am sure you will agree it quite boggles the mind.

You sound like Johnson at PMQs - you haven't answered the question: ^which* posters? I ask because I cannot find even one who has said that the birthday party was acceptable.

So you have looked through all 6000 posts and you can't find one person that said it was acceptable.

There is also the thread about his birthday party. Take a look for yourself.

Yes, Suella Braverman is an absolute disgrace.
She was asked in the commons last week whether breaches of the ministerial code would mean resignations. Her answer: "I would just say fundamental to the rule of law is also democracy & I'm very proud to be supporting this PM - a PM who has honoured democracy by delivering Brexit"

(There have been ongoing rumblings for a while about whether she should be disbarred for bringing the profession into disrepute)

@Notonthestairs

"If it emerges that the Prime Minister did mislead the House on 8 December, I cannot see how he can remain in post. It would suggest that Parliament no longer cares whether Ministers tell the truth. At that point, any ministerial statement in Parliament becomes meaningless. /6"

twitter.com/alexanderhorne1/status/1492475755464437766?s=21

Very good thread on the importance or non importance of FPN - short version it's not about FPN it's the misleading Parliament that matters.

Agree with this wholeheartedly.

I've said all along it's not the outcome of the report or FPNs - but the public confidence that matters.

And the longer this goes on for I think the greater the loss of confidence will become.

...but yes, there may well be grounds for more serious sanctions than FPNs

DePfeffoff seeing Johnson properly held to account in a court of law would be immensely cheering. I doubt it will happen though.

I wonder how things are between him and Carrie this weekend. Does she realise yet that he would happily chuck her under a bus to save himself.

'Unsurprisingly, @JaniieJones, you have once again omitted the information that what you have been told, repeatedly, is that it is utterly irrelevant whether it was a party;'

What?!

You can't just make stuff up like you're a telly reporter or something.

A pp said that I/others had said it was ok if the PM had or went to a party. No one said such a thing, did they?

Words matter. You shouldn't chuck fake news about and then backtrack. We've had umpteen posts telling Boody to Google and search and now you admit it wasnt actually said .

I also think Johnson will wriggle free like the greased pig he is
However, if he is removed from office that will be enough for me, as that would stop any more damage to our country's reputation and democratic institutions.

I've looked everywhere. I think I must have mistakenly thrown it out with the other recycling. Fear it's gone to the tip. Maybe all stop looking?

@CryingAtTheDiscotheque

Yes, Suella Braverman is an absolute disgrace. She was asked in the commons last week whether breaches of the ministerial code would mean resignations. Her answer: "I would just say fundamental to the rule of law is also democracy & I'm very proud to be supporting this PM - a PM who has honoured democracy by delivering Brexit"

(There have been ongoing rumblings for a while about whether she should be disbarred for bringing the profession into disrepute)

Indeed. Remember the time she insisted on leading as counsel in a criminal case in the Court of Appeal despite having no professional experience of crime? It was blatantly political and, predictably, she made an embarrassing mess of it and lost.

There's a whole interesting debate about why the women Johnson appoints to his cabinet are so utterly incompetent; and why competent women won't work with him.

@JaniieJones, as I'm sure you know, I haven't backtracked and I certainly haven't admitted what you allege. You've totally jumped the shark there.

You might also like to look out the MN rules on personal attacks.