To say post natal depression is limited to women?

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60319568

I do believe men can experience depression at any stage in life but as they cannot give birth they don't experience the hormonal and physical response.

Men can get situational depression including the situation of being a new parent
Only postnatal women can get postnatal depression (or XX who have just had a baby)

@ClumpingBambooIsALie

Wait. So you try to discredit people for being mums by mocking them, and you try to discredit people for not being mums by saying we have no experience?

You're not so bright, are you?

Lol. No. You alleged all that, I have not looked to discredit anyone for being a mother. I do think it very odd that a childless woman who has no intentions of ever being a mother seems so vested in an issue that will never effect her. Ever. And seems to think her opinion should weigh more than that of the mothers she disagrees with. Shouldn’t you be letting our voices be centred? Not just mine, I know many mums disagree with me. That is fine, but it’s just odd you are fighting against a mother when you really have no experience of this now will you ever from you saying you have no intention of ever being a parent.

And I’m sorry, but the do you have a vagina and were you pregnant isn’t scientific when it comes to can a person suffer from a certain mental illness.

If the mental illness is caused by giving birth, then it doesn't really matter how 'sorry' you are, it's still bollocks.

@ClumpingBambooIsALie

You think ten years is a long time? You think there's consensus? Go eat crayons and wallow in your own misogyny, I'm bored with you.

Oh, that’s why you’re here. For your amusement. Got it. Cheers love

@OnlyAFleshWound

And I’m sorry, but the do you have a vagina and were you pregnant isn’t scientific when it comes to can a person suffer from a certain mental illness.

If the mental illness is caused by giving birth, then it doesn't really matter how 'sorry' you are, it's still bollocks.

PND isn’t caused by giving birth. That’s a common myth.

OK, sure. Poor men. They really do suffer terribly from everything, including women giving birth. Well done. Boring, goady bullshit.

And she discredits people for being feminists.

not the rad fem faux outrage articles.

I suggest we do call men's depression PND and give them pelvic floor exercises to treat it. Maybe vitamin tablets, too

Probably not only do men suffer PND but they are better at it than women. When they get to have cyberwombs implanted and give birth - sure that's something you said was imminent, Empress? - then I will accede males have PND. Not before.

@EmpressCixi
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And I’m sorry, but the do you have a vagina and were you pregnant isn’t scientific when it comes to can a person suffer from a certain mental illness.

If the mental illness is caused by giving birth, then it doesn't really matter how 'sorry' you are, it's still bollocks.
PND isn’t caused by giving birth. That’s a common myth.*

🤣🤣🤣 if it's not caused by giving birth, it just depression. PND is absolutely a result of giving birth although not everyone who gives birth gets it and the birth itself may not be the cause of it. People who don't give birth can have 'other' kinds of depression. Ding ding let's go again 🔔

@EmpressCixi

Mystical is good adjective for your vagina qualifications to pontificate on what illnesses a man can or cannot have. Similar to the mystical penis qualifications used to declare what illnesses a woman can or cannot have. Since the latter was proven to be absolute crap,, then why would the former be any better?

You can have any illnesses you like just not PND. And thank you yes my vagina is mystical.

@ClumpingBambooIsALie

This is all part of the "inclusion is always good, exclusion is always bad" bollocks.

We could, for example, decide that anything with a mood component is included in bipolar disorder. Depressed? You're bipolar. PND? You're bipolar. But unless you want people given inappropriate treatments, you'd then have to subdivide bipolar disorder, and make it so that people with, say, PMDD are excluded from some of the subdivisions of the new, inclusive bipolar disorder.

I want to see a good argument for why PND should be opened up to people who have not recently given birth, as opposed to the traditional inclusion criteria which are in the name of the disorder. Not just the "appeal to authority" fallacy you're pushing, but an actual argument for why it makes logical sense and why it does more good than harm to make "PND" inclusive of all these other circumstances.

This is pertinent. The consultant gynaecologist I saw told me that, in his opinion, far too many women were cavalierly diagnosed with bi polar, when they were actually suffering with hormonally driven depression.

So, their doctors and psychiatrists were giving them heavy duty mood stabilisers, when what they actually needed was hormonal treatment.

So, their doctors and psychiatrists were giving them heavy duty mood stabilisers, when what they actually needed was hormonal treatment.

An example I know of: antipsychotics resulting in profound depression, treated with ECT, then years of lithium that knocked out the thyroid gland. The alternative: prescribe oestrogen.
There is a puzzling reluctance among medics (and women themselves) to recognise the profound effect hormones can have on mental and physical well-being. “Men can get PND too” is an extreme and bonkers extension of this.

borntobequiet My consultant believes that in the years to come it will become a huge scandal how many women were misdiagnosed with bi-polar and were given totally inappropriate drugs and treatment.

@peaceanddove

That is so interesting! I have hormonal depression and ADHD and wasted over a decade of my life being told I had cyclothymia, EUPD or bipolar when actually my 'ups' are just who I am (hyperactive, scatty, creative, forget to eat) because of the ADHD (unmedicated now, but I've had it since childhood) and my depression is the problem I actually wanted help with (hormonal help). My medication now is all orientated around my hormonal depression and endometriosis. When I think about all the unnecessary medication I've taken (daily for a 1 week a month problem) it gives me the absolute horrors. Antidepressants, antipsychotics, mood stabilisers, amazing I didn't rattle when I walked.