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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not want DF to bring her baby everywhere?

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DijfunvKd · 11/02/2022 12:19

My friend lives a few hours away from me, and visits the area I live in fairly often. She had her first baby last year. When she visits, it's always with her DH.

Now she's had the baby, she will contact me asking if I want to meet her and the baby for coffee or lunch, and I always go. She will also ask if I want to go for a drink or nice meal one evening, and so I find a date on which I'm available. However, I then get messages to say she'll have to bring the baby because she'll need breastfeeding, or there is no one else to look after her etc. So we end up having a quick coke in a child friendly pub, or they both come to my house.

I don't mind the lunches with the baby, and do the expected 'isn't she cute?' (she is), 'is she eating/sleeping well?' small talk, but I find it extremely boring and do it to be polite and supportive. I don't want to repeat the same conversation on the evening.

DF will always say 'baby will be no trouble while we're out, she's very placid', but it inevitably becomes DF talking to the baby while I sit and make the expected cooing noises, and then she needs to leave early to get the baby to bed. If she had no option but to bring the baby to socialise then that would be one thing, but her DH goes off for hours with his friends, child free, well into the night, and I can't understand why she can't do that. If it was because she simply didn't want to leave the baby, then why ask if I'd like to go for a drink or nice meal in the evening?

During her pregnancy she was claiming nothing would change, that she'd still be going on holiday with friends and leaving the baby with her dad, and I thought she was deluding herself with that, but now that the baby has arrived she's swung hard the other way, which is her prerogative, but AIBU to think that her expectation that she brings the baby every time we see each other is ridiculous?

For information, the same happens when I visit her too, although that is less often because she visits friends and family where I live and stays with her parents.

OP posts:
theleafandnotthetree · 11/02/2022 17:53

@Katyppp

Quite prepared to be shot down here (as I usually am on this type of thread) but I think this mummy martyrdom is a relatively new phenomenon, and a result of the long maternity leave everyone takes now. It's normalised by a lot of posters on MN, who seem to think that unless you spend the first year of your child's life permanently attached to them and 'enjoying the baby snuggles' , you are somehow less of a parent. Maternity leave used to be a lot shorter and four month old babies were routinely in childcare then. I am not saying that was better than it is now, far from it, but the current assumption that a baby can not be parted from its mother until six months at the earliest or that mum and baby will dissolve if they are separated is rubbish.
Completely agree, growing up in Ireland with large families the norm, very little maternity leave and housework being genuinely gruelling, there was little time for this model of parenting. And I can't honestly say that people were the worst for it. I see little enough evidence that children reared in the last 25 years are so much better for all this martyrdom, one could argue the opposite indeed.
MotherofTerriers · 11/02/2022 17:54

I think you should be polite but firm
Sorry, I was looking forward to a Friday night out. We'll reschedule when you've got someone to look after baby or pop out for a child friendly lunch next time you're free

What she is doing is working for her at the moment but not for you, but she may not have realised this.
If she says baby was looking forward to seeing you (pretty unlikely) you can respond, that's a shame but its Friday night out time

babyjellyfish · 11/02/2022 17:55

@DijfunvKd

Thank you to everyone who's actually taken the time to read and understand my posts.

I replied to her saying that I was looking forward to going into the city, and could her mother not look after the baby? She replied saying her mother is busy and that if she had left the baby she could only stay out for two hours, but she can stay out till 10 if she and the baby come to my house.

I said I was looking forward to going out, so why not have lunch tomorrow or Sunday instead. She has replied saying she has plans for both and DB really wants to see her Auntie Dij. I haven't replied to that yet.

"Oh, that's a shame. Looks like it's not going to work out this weekend. Perhaps we can go for lunch next time you're back instead?"
Imyourvenus · 11/02/2022 17:55

Do her a favour and end the friendshipHmm

Mollysocks · 11/02/2022 17:55

What she is doing is working for her at the moment but not for you

Yes she’s being quite selfish imo, don’t think she realises but still is selfish.

momtoboys · 11/02/2022 17:56

I'm thinking you don't have children? It is really hard to leave your baby. Honestly, the friends that I would meet for lunch, etc were the friends I was really trying to continue the relationship. The others I wouldn't bother. I may be in the minority though.

ToykotoLosAngeles · 11/02/2022 17:56

I wish people would stop telling OP to "stop making plans". The friend is making the plans. If she texts OP next month and suggests x pub at 8pm what's she supposed to say? "No, because come the day it'll end up as an hour in Spoons before it gets dark"?

Savingpeoplehuntingthings · 11/02/2022 17:58

You absolutely are nbu even though the mummy martyrs here will have you thinking nothing can be more important than someone else's child.
You make adult plans, she moves the goalposts.
I think you're going to need to be more blu t. " It's Friday night, I've been at work all week, I'm having an adult night. If you can't make it without the baby we'll leave it for tonight"

Your time and happiness is just as important as hers.
Hell would freeze over before I gave up a planned Friday night because a friend can't/won't stick to plans.

babyjellyfish · 11/02/2022 17:58

@Katyppp

Quite prepared to be shot down here (as I usually am on this type of thread) but I think this mummy martyrdom is a relatively new phenomenon, and a result of the long maternity leave everyone takes now. It's normalised by a lot of posters on MN, who seem to think that unless you spend the first year of your child's life permanently attached to them and 'enjoying the baby snuggles' , you are somehow less of a parent. Maternity leave used to be a lot shorter and four month old babies were routinely in childcare then. I am not saying that was better than it is now, far from it, but the current assumption that a baby can not be parted from its mother until six months at the earliest or that mum and baby will dissolve if they are separated is rubbish.
Yeah. Maternity leave is 4 months where I live, and most mothers of babies are working, raising their child and enjoying guilt free adult time every now and again. It's completely cultural.
SmellyOldOwls · 11/02/2022 17:58

[quote Amibeinghighmaintenance]@Pigeonsdontliketrucks the OP is quite clearly not expecting that.

I think the crux of the issue is how much does being a new mother mean that you can be a complete dick to other people?

And it appears 60% of people seem to think as much as you want - oh and you should also be annoyed if they don’t then check in to make sure you are feeling comfortable in your dickishness[/quote]
How is she being a dick? Some friends aren't happy unless you hide all evidence you've ever had a baby, never bring them out, never talk about them. That's being a dick.

LouLou789 · 11/02/2022 17:59

I’d steer clear of the nights out for a while if I were you, and if she suggests them, say something breezy like, “Oh, don’t worry, I know it’s hard when you have Tinkerbell to see to, let’s just stick to the coffees and lunches while she’s so little” Eventually she will start wanting adult nights out.

Ormally · 11/02/2022 17:59

It sounds like getting out might be easier in the day for her - I know you have realised this, but possibly she is being optimistic to herself about evening commitments, especially in terms of someone being willing or available to look after the baby and their plans, which may well include being fresh for work. I had to 'use up' all my normal, free, childcare options (family) on work hours or school collection times for several years, and 'family' meant only one person within a reasonable distance to help, but still a planned journey away, unfortunately. Additionally, money (and energy) for fun stuff was pretty tight in the first 3-4 years, after time on maternity leave, and it may have to make you quite careful/unambitious/non-spontaneous about going out.

Amibeinghighmaintenance · 11/02/2022 18:00

@SmellyOldOwls - have you read all the OPs posts? If you read them all and still don’t think her friend is being a dick, well, I honestly find that really odd

RidingMyBike · 11/02/2022 18:04

Maybe she wants to go out but then the partner isn't stepping up? I went out once a week in the evening on my own to meet friends once my baby was 3 months (she was combi-fed so I could go for several hours) and DH was initially really worried about being in charge of DD but realised it wasn't fair on me so got over it!

JudgeJ · 11/02/2022 18:06

@username1293948

I assume you don’t have children?
I have children, in their 40s now, but I have always found baby talk tedious, even about my own! When did parents become so selfish that they expect everyone to dance to their tune, always having to consider this baby in their midst? To be honest if you can't leave your baby with someone then stay at home until it's older and stop boring your friends.
DijfunvKd · 11/02/2022 18:07

@3WildOnes

One of my friends has a 10 month old baby who breast feeds to sleep. My friend will bring him to the pub, feed him to sleep and then he sleeps in the pram whilst we catch up with a glass of wine. I don’t mind at all, if I want a more grown up night out then I go with a different friend.
This would not bother me one iota, but it's not what's happening.

And for the millionth time she plans the child free night out, not me!

OP posts:
IrishMama2015 · 11/02/2022 18:08

She is probably trying to prove to you and herself that she can do the things she used to. She probably had the best of intentions of going out and staying out. But then the PP anxiety kicks in and she brings baby and try's to do it all with baby attached. Been there done that. She is trying to find a new way to live her old life. She is probably lost

FlyingPandas · 11/02/2022 18:09

@LouLou789

I’d steer clear of the nights out for a while if I were you, and if she suggests them, say something breezy like, “Oh, don’t worry, I know it’s hard when you have Tinkerbell to see to, let’s just stick to the coffees and lunches while she’s so little” Eventually she will start wanting adult nights out.
Exactly as the poster above has said - just continue to meet her for daytime catch ups and politely turn down the evening ones.

She will eventually want to come out again properly without the baby; it's probably just that she's in a bit of a baby bubble at the moment. But it's unfair of her to expect you make all the compromises.

DijfunvKd · 11/02/2022 18:09

@Pigeonsdontliketrucks

YANBU to be annoyed by the changing plans and to be bored by constant baby talk! However……. YABU to expect that a new mum is going to be the same as she was before she had the baby. It’s just not possible, practically or emotionally. Hopefully, once the baby gets older, she’ll be less obsessed and will be dying for a fun night out with her old friends! Hang in there OP, it won’t be forever!
Why do you think I expect that?
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tkwal · 11/02/2022 18:10

Until the baby is weaned I think its unreasonable for you to expect your friend to leave it behind. After that I think it would be your friend being unreasonable to continue to insist on bringing the child, hence I didn't vote

Rosegoldivy · 11/02/2022 18:11

God some of the replies on here make out as if all mum's love being attached to their kids 24/7. Fuck that. Not all mum's are that precious btw.

I have 9month old twins and a two year old. Any plans I make with catching up with friends DO NOT include them.

my two fav things to do is: 1. Spend time with my kids. 2. Not spend time with my kids.

forrestgreen · 11/02/2022 18:11

Time to take a stand.

'Df I'm really disappointed, I was looking forward to a grown up night out. You plan a night out each time then plans change from adult evening to one with baby which inevitably change the venue etc. I'm happy to meet for coffees etc but please don't make evening plans with me until you're happy to leave baby. I know you'll understand how much I love you both but I let other friends down to go out with you each time.

Doesn't actually make sense but you get the idea

Amibeinghighmaintenance · 11/02/2022 18:11

@IrishMama2015 so the OP must support her through her through her trauma of treating OP badly?

VivX · 11/02/2022 18:14

@DijfunvKd
DB really wants to see her Auntie Dij

DB really could not care less about seeing her Auntie Dij because DB is only 6mths old.
DF is either projecting, delusional or just making excuses.

IrishMama2015 · 11/02/2022 18:14

[quote Amibeinghighmaintenance]@IrishMama2015 so the OP must support her through her through her trauma of treating OP badly?[/quote]
No absolutely not, it's totally unfair on OP. I was just theorising on what's probably behind it all on the friends behalf.