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AIBU that you don't post this on even a private group in Facebook?

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NatashaBedwouldbenice · 09/02/2022 07:37

DP is a member of a Facebook group for people trying to find biological family via DNA (usually birth parents and usually via hobby DNA sites such as Ancestry or 23andMe).

One woman has had a terrible time. She traced her dad a couple of years. They arranged to meet but he never turned up and his wife messaged her to drop it. She only lives six blocks away. This is horribly unfair and unkind, but unfortunately very common.

Yesterday she said that she'd finally been able to meet him. He was in hospital, unconscious and dying from Covid. She has posted a selfie with his head in the background and all sorts of tubes and things on his face. In the photo he is either dying or dead.

AIBU that as tragic as this is for her, she is horribly misguided in posting such a photo on social media?
It is a private group but has about 180 000 members.

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AlternativePerspective · 09/02/2022 10:22

So it’s ok for the woman to post a picture of a dying/dead man on social media but not ok for someone to question publicly whether that’s ok?

Personally I think that the family should be aware that it’s out there so they can report her to fb and have the picture removed from wherever she’s posted it. Assuming it is actually him, which tbh I doubt.

So this family wanted nothing to do with her, told her to back off, the meeting never happened, and then at a time when this man was dying and unconscious the same family who didn’t want to know her allowed her into his personal space to not only be with him while he died but to take pictures of him.

Sorry but I think she’s talking bollocks and is most likely a fantasist.

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/02/2022 10:23

Leave the FB group, it's obviously not for you.

I hope the woman who eventually reunited with her father finds some peace.

UniversalAunt · 09/02/2022 10:23

Yes, she is ‘horribly misguided’.

She has shared her triumph that she had found him & now she has something that is just the two of them together. He did not & could not consent to that photo - it smacks of revenge after he had let her down. She still has to live with not knowing her father at all. Those moments & that photo will not serve her well, her heart will still ache.

Were I her half-sibling who knew of this photo & then her sharing this on social media – as others have said, her posts can be shared by anyone in that group – I would have absolutely nothing to do with her. Maybe her bio father was wary of her so chose not to meet her, chose not to introduce her to his other children.

‘ This is horribly unfair and unkind, but unfortunately very common.’

I query that statement. Being contacted out of the blue to be told that you are an unknown adult’s biological father is a huge matter. Some people (he, his family/friends) may have had a hunch about the baby given what was going on at the time of conception, but it can be a massive shock for the man. If the child has the heat of unmet needs & high expectations, this can make the relationship very challenging from the outset, & some people just cannot deal with this so keep their distance. It is unlikely an intentional act of unkindness or being horrid. Understandably, for the adult child, it can be very very difficult to take that new rejection. This is why there are formal processes around people tracing their adoptive parents, where counselling is offered to support the adult child, & newly found parent(s), as the knowledge gained & everything thereafter may not meet or the unmet needs & even worsen the heartache.

I am concerned that some of these closed or tight groups on social media that search for missing fathers (& mothers) enter into a ‘groupthink’ that is a form of online gaming where the quest is everything & must be solved or won by any means. The victor takes the spoils, but this is real life.

This is the dark underbelly of the convergence of sperm only/fatherless conception, children growing up without the barest knowledge of their paternity, consumer DNA testing & social media.

Long before donor conception, DNA testing & SM, I knew people who struggled with not knowing who their father was because of adoption, their mother’s refusal to name their father or at worst due to rape.

It can be hard enough to grow up without knowing your father due to death or estrangement. Fortunately most children can come to terms with this loss & make their own sense of this, often because they have attachment & contact with their father’s extended family. But for those who do not have even his name, the scantest of information or his extended family to tether to, this is an open emotional wound that can debilitate or destabilise attachments well into adulthood.

Throwing on the high octane fuel of affordable DNA genealogy testing, closed groups & social media on to the burning embers of the running hurt & loss of not knowing who your father is a recent thing. It is a potent mix.

I have great sympathy for children & adults who do not know anything of their father. I have friends & relatives who live with this massive unknown & uncertainty. But this does not give them rights or permissions to go crashing about in other people’s lives.

UniversalAunt · 09/02/2022 10:25

The long lost/unknown father found & reunion stories on TV are stories.
The full picture is not given or known.
The happy endings are far & few between, so make for telly gold.

UniversalAunt · 09/02/2022 10:27

@NatashaBedwouldbenice If your DH is searching, might using the services of a professional genetic genealogist be helpful?

Bound by a an agreed plan & contract, the relationship is between an experienced accredited professional & the client only client with overall governance & confidentiality. Although there is a real financial cost, it may be a smoother, kinder journey for your DH.

Association Professional Genealogists
There are other professional groups. I found this one through a professional genealogist who helped me with my research.

Finding an APGEN genealogist

How to hire…

AlternativePerspective · 09/02/2022 10:33

The happy endings are far & few between, so make for telly gold. I often wonder how many people they are in contact with vs how many are actually reunited.

I’d imagine it’s hundreds vs the one or two who get their supposed happy outcome, and even then, we only see reunite moment, I imagine many go on to never see each other again or have a volatile relationship vs the ones who do still maintain a relationship.

LilQueenie · 09/02/2022 10:41

If he is unconcious how did she get in? Did she not have to prove she was family?

Bluebottle11 · 09/02/2022 10:44

Unfortunately people post pics like that to garner sympathy for themselves, it’s pathetic actually and it’s not for her to unilaterally decide it’s ok to post, especially as she did it purely for self indulgent reasons

NatashaBedwouldbenice · 09/02/2022 10:46

If he is unconcious how did she get in? Did she not have to prove she was family?

This is unclear. She must have needed next of kin’s permission?

Great post @UniversalAunt I’ll have to read it again to take it all in.

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LimeSegment · 09/02/2022 10:50

I see the concern but not sure I'd be worried about it. He is dead. His family knows the story. The photo isn't going to go viral around the world, because it's just a photo of a man in a hospital bed. The photo wasn't taken to make money or gain any advantage.

Its her story to share as well.

katepilar · 09/02/2022 10:53

Private group or not, makes no difference. Posting a picture of anyone else without his explicit consent is wrong.
I dont post pictures of myself, let alone anyone else and dont want to take group pictures anywhere anymore because most people just dont understand and/or dont care.

LouisRenault · 09/02/2022 11:01

I feel bad for her that she knew who part of her real family was....

What about the family who brought her up? Are they not her 'real' family?

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 09/02/2022 11:04

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

All my dympathy is for the woman who was rejected twice.
You have no sympathy for his family?
Nowayoutonlydown · 09/02/2022 11:06

I'd say it's really inappropriate, but who knows how most of us would react if we wanted to meet our dad for what I'd assume is a long time, then when the time came, it was in that situation.

I can see there's a few steps between sharing a picture of meeting your dad, and a picture of your dad dying/dead but honestly i can imagine she's pretty emotionally fucked up by it at the moment.

Maybe she will notice how inappropriate this was in time

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/02/2022 11:27

It's the same old, same old isn't it - people get on SM and their brains fall out
Whatever happened to discretion? Hmm

Cornettoninja · 09/02/2022 11:28

I think there’s a fairly deep generational divide with opinions here.

I feel for the woman, but also am uncomfortable with the idea that someone can lose all autonomy over their image at such a vulnerable time. I don’t think there’s really anything that justifies taking that away without clear consent from either themselves or someone advocating in their best interests with the knowledge of their boundaries.

It’s not the first time I’ve come across this kind of report, although it’s usually involving people with an established relationship.

saraclara · 09/02/2022 11:55

I cannot imagine what it would do to my daughters to have a photo like that of me, put on FB after my death by ANYONE, never mind by some stranger who'd just blown into their lives claiming to be their sister.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/02/2022 11:57

It’s not the first time I’ve come across this kind of report

Nor me, Cornettoninja - in fact I originally thought the thread was a rehash of this one: www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/16526392/disrespectful-funeral-selfie-daughter-dad/

It's not the actual taking of the photo though - my dad took one of my mum in her coffin, and though I hated it I respected his choice - but the plastering of it all over social media
Which is why I said that, faced with a keyboard, some people's brains appear to fall out

Cornettoninja · 09/02/2022 12:18

I don’t disagree @Puzzledandpissedoff. I would hate to think a picture of me really ill/dying could be put on social media. I’m not even comfortable with the idea of being paraded around in a hearse!

The existence of the picture isn’t the problem, you’re right, it’s the sharing of it over social media with unvetted, strangers. The man may have been beelzebub but now an image of some of his final moments on earth has been offered up to random people to immortalise their opinions about him and his mistakes with no defence or right of reply. I don’t see how that’s helpful to anyone involved.

WomanStanleyWoman · 09/02/2022 12:31

Very nicely put. I’m surprised about all the judgement on here but I guess I shouldn’t be. It’s a bit demoralising to see how cold people are re:grief.

People on MN seem horrified at the very idea of ‘judgement’. Judgement doesn’t have to be a negative thing. How does anyone ever understand that their behaviour is wrong if no one ever judges them for it?

Branleuse · 09/02/2022 12:40

my ex who was adopted, was also rejected by his biological father when he traced him. Thankfully some of his other relatives on that side wanted contact, as it was such a hurtful rejection.
In my family we have had a few instances of new cousins appearing since DNA testing became mainstream and affordable. Its unthinkable that they would have been rejected once discovered. You might well find that the family of this dead man would actually be more sympathetic than you think, maybe except the wife that tried to stop the reunion from happening.
This woman has as much right as anyone in the family to post that selfie, and the fact is, she wont have other photos of him in better health, so please try not to judge so harshly.

Branleuse · 09/02/2022 12:42

@saraclara

I cannot imagine what it would do to my daughters to have a photo like that of me, put on FB after my death by ANYONE, never mind by some stranger who'd just blown into their lives claiming to be their sister.
DNA proof that it would be their sister, not just a claim so maybe theyd also be angry with you that youd try to prevent the reunion and them meeting their sister before he was actually dying?
BellaTheDarkOverlord · 09/02/2022 12:48

You'd hope if he was indeed dead that the family had already been notified, and there wasn't possibly a grandchild somewhere who learns of grandad's death from social media photos before family have chance to tell them.

Cocomarine · 09/02/2022 12:54

@BellaTheDarkOverlord that’s a reach, it wasn’t even this woman’s personal SM. Even if one of her friends from the group referred to it on the daughter’s own SM, this really doesn’t sound like a situation where grandad rejected a grandchild’s aunt, yet aunt and niece are buddies on Facebook. There’s enough here to discuss without inventing the unlikely!

BellaTheDarkOverlord · 09/02/2022 12:58

Not saying it's likely or inventing anything. It's a situation which could happen by posting images like this on social media.