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Health visitor put finger in 4 week old’s mouth

160 replies

zeena83 · 07/02/2022 22:04

And she didn’t wash her hands. I was too busy being freaked out by her talking about my baby’s failure to gain enough weight and before I could say anything she was checking him for tongue tie and had her finger in his mouth. She had also been putting things in the clinical waste bin and did not wash her hands although I don’t think there was anything too gross in it, it wasn’t a room where anything particularly clinical happens. What should I do? All I can do is sit here worrying about what he might have caught, I am so so desperately upset by this

OP posts:
Comedycook · 08/02/2022 10:12

Personally I think even if the hv knew her hands were clean, she should have probably have washed them in front of the op even if just to provide reassurance for a new mum

Pleaseacceptmyusername · 08/02/2022 10:17

That would have really upset me, but I did have some severe PN anxiety going on. It's not great, but baby will be fine. My FIL licked his finger and wiped my baby's eye at 4 weeks when he had conjunctivitis. I was beside myself with anger, and like you, too frozen in shock to initially react.
It makes me laugh (a bit) now in hindsight, because since then, now 19mo baby has chewed/licked/eaten (in no particular order); imitation coal, a dog ball, cat food, my shoe, my snotty nose, a pavement, gravel in the park etc etc.
What amazes me is he is yet to have a stomach bug, or any digestive ailment related to germs.

interest12 · 08/02/2022 10:26

This is nothing to get in sick a state over. And anyone on this thread saying the HV was wrong (even after hearing that she sanitised her gloved hand) is only stoking the OPs anxiety and is not helpful. .

zeena83 · 08/02/2022 10:38

Re: weight gain - no tongue tie and breastfeeding going very well. We think he has very bad reflux so GP is seeing him tomorrow, he is sick very large amounts after feeding very regularly and has obvious tummy ache but no one has listened so far and has just gone on and on about his latch. Which is perfect , they have now accepted this

OP posts:
DobbyTheHouseElk · 08/02/2022 10:44

I don’t think some of these comments will be helping the OP.

I would have worried too. I still worry about my DC. Everyone does.

Daisylookslost · 08/02/2022 10:59

Hi OP

I completely get where you are coming from. This is not a nice situation but please just take a moment to breathe. Some of what you’ve said is alarming and obviously not ideal practice but you need to put this into perspective. Understandably many parents are extra vigilant about their new babies, but you cannot control the actions of others or baby for that matter unless you keep baby in a bubble!

Try and focus on the fact HV did put sanitiser on her gloves before putting any fingers into baby’s mouth. That would have neutralised any nasties to a significant extent, meaning it’s very unlikely if these were present they could cause baby any harm. A fresh pair of gloves would have been better, but unfortunately others don’t always follow your high and perfectly reasonable standards for your baby. Do not beat yourself up for not insisting on this, it sounds like you’d been distracted trying to sort out her demands and that’s not your fault. I would request a different health visitor for your next appointment.

The clinical waste bin although people have pointed out is opened by foot, I think the OP’s concern is stuff was pushed into it. I get that, and it was your partner who saw this, so remember his account could be coming from a place of more heightened anxiety too. She may just have dropped the stuff in there and lowered her hand in a bit. Any used gloves in there would have been turned inside-out when taken off. And assuming the room is being used by health visitors for kids, it would just be stuff from other infants in there like tissues they laid on etc. Not a huge concern!

I think the risk from this bin, and door handles touched etc, is negligible. And the hand sanitiser makes this risk even lower.

I think it helps to put things in perspective, and if that means overthinking stuff as demonstrated above then so be it if it helps you get some peace of mind and closure. When I first read your thread I thought she’d come into your home, and then shoved an ungloved finger into baby’s mouth. The above scenario is actually much less concerning although not ideal. You could complain but as I said I’d just insist on someone else next time.

Some things since my baby has been born:

  • midwife ungloved but washed hand on baby’s mouth without asking
  • department store Santa putting visibly dirty looking rough hands on baby’s hand and face without asking
  • relative letting baby stick fingers in their mouth without asking
  • relative not sterilising spoon and telling me off for asking her to (my mum of all people)
  • HV handling and sticking plaster on baby with ungloved hands
  • partner pulling bottle teat through with unwashed hands where he’d just arrived home after being out touching door handles etc
  • baby biting on shopping just placed in trolly
  • baby biting trolly handle
  • relatives handing baby things to eat with unwashed hands
  • partner touching parcels that just been delivered then handling baby

Consequences for above (that actually span over a year in time): for baby, none. For me, anxiety and upset at the time. But as the child gets older you do begin to relax a little bit and realise that they are going to come into contact with all kinds of germs, viruses etc. There has to be a balance between maintaining good hygiene and not freaking out unnecessarily but I think this can be gradually learned as the journey of parenthood progresses.

All the best OP I really hope you find some peace today

Userblabla · 08/02/2022 11:13

@lborgia

Can we just stop with this "it's good for their immune system" shit.

The microbes that are good for them are not found on the fingers of health professionals.

Washing your hands between dealing with something that needed a clinical waste bin, and sticking your fingers in the mouth of a newborn is not ok.

Please let the team leader or your GP know.

I'm sure your baby will be fine, but that's not a high enough benchmark for a health visitor.

Well said!!!
T00Ts · 08/02/2022 11:41

@Somethingsnappy

P. S. Ignore the unhelpful comments on here. It's like everyone has forgotten what it feels like to have a brand new baby.
I think lots of people didn’t feel like this though. I certainly didn’t. I’m not sure I’d have even paid much heed to a HV doing this, let alone spend hours after ‘spiralling’ in a panicked Google frenzy.

My concern here is not for a newborn baby, which will be absolutely fine, but for a new mother who is desperately anxious, sounds like she has postnatal anxiety and really needs support.

ChampionOfTheSun · 08/02/2022 11:45

@zeena83 just to say that the reflux could merely be the sign of a quick letdown and baby can't quite cope with it yet. Again, someone on NBH can support with this, GP will likely prescribe meds which may not be necessary and might make life harder, it's definitely worth speaking to someone trained in Breastfeeding Support. I'm training to be a Breastfeeding Counsellor and we see a lot of medicated babies who just needed a position change or for mum to hand express the first part of the letdown so baby doesn't take too much milk for example. These things are unlikely to be something a GP or HV are aware of. I am glad you feel that Breastfeeding is going well Flowers

ChampionOfTheSun · 08/02/2022 11:59

(To clarify it could be any number of things but it can't hurt to seek some trained feeding support as well as seeing the GP Flowers ) Also, OP, I had postnatal anxiety as well as having a baby who did not gain weight quick enough - allergies and an undiagnosed tongue tie here despite lots of people checking (turned out none of them were qualified to check) and it can be really tough to know what's rational and what isn't, I had CBT for this (and for my PTSD) and it was hugely helpful. I initially wasn't able to even leave my daughter for even an hour without an anxiety attack and after therapy I've managed to build up to leaving her for a whole day for a spa thing or to go to the theatre. It is possible to move past that anxiety and I hope you manage to seek some support with that too Flowers

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 08/02/2022 12:03

So From the update she did clean her hands before putting them into your babies mouth?

villainousbroodmare · 08/02/2022 12:06

Things To Concern You:

  1. Your baby's weight gain
  2. Your fragile mental health
.... 55. The HV's finger
Staryflight445 · 08/02/2022 12:38

I think the way we view sterilising in this country doesn’t help with anxiety about this.

It’s only to get rid of bacteria from milk. Everything else is fair game.
You’re breastfeeding and are providing baby with everything they need. Try not to worry!

SeasonFinale · 08/02/2022 13:00

The reality is that is unhelpful of people to say there there poor dear to the OP as that leads to the OP believing she is actually in the right. It would appear she merely dislikes this HV. An example of this would be referring to her as irritating for such terrible crimes as asking where the red book is and place the baby there!

3Daddy31982 · 08/02/2022 13:34

My husband had an op as a baby. His condition is prevalent in people of Viking descent. Does baby projectile vomit?

3Daddy31982 · 08/02/2022 13:35

It's pyloric stenosis.

Miriam101 · 08/02/2022 14:05

Hey OP.

I think that this is all about keeping things in perspective. Yes maybe the HV did something that was a bit gross (though I can't tell from your update whether she did actually put sanitiser on) but the thing is: even if she did it's not really something to be 'desperately upset' by.

Do you think, in your heart of hearts, you are having difficulty keeping things in perspective? It's so easy in the fug of motherhood to get things way out of proportion. I suffer from anxiety so I know how it feels- to be "spiralling" and googling and going down the internet rabbit hole and all the rest of it.

But I think by the use of those terms you too know deep down that this isn't an entirely rational response to a fairly run-of-the-mill if slightly annoying incident.

If I were you I'd reach out now to my GP and ask what the possibilities of some post-natal anxiety counselling might be. You're just starting out on this roller-coaster of a journey that is parenthood, and although this particular time is particularly worrying because of their tininess and the all-consuming exhaustion, there is a lot to come down the line that you will probably cope with a lot better if you're able to manage your feelings a bit better.
Hope you're ok. X

Ileflottante · 08/02/2022 14:08

@SeasonFinale

The reality is that is unhelpful of people to say there there poor dear to the OP as that leads to the OP believing she is actually in the right. It would appear she merely dislikes this HV. An example of this would be referring to her as irritating for such terrible crimes as asking where the red book is and place the baby there!
I thought that. Asking for a red book is not really a crime, more of a necessity.

These people have lots of mothers and babies to see, they’re extremely rushed. It’s also not a compulsory service.

If the kid is feeding fine but you’re concerned they have reflux and aren’t gaining weight, (so common) ask to see the GP. You can also ask them for some perinatal MH support if you’re feeling really anxious.

I think the crux of the matter is you’re very anxious OP, you didn’t like this HV for various reasons and are blowing up the experience in your head.

Somethingsnappy · 08/02/2022 14:18

@T00Ts, I agree. My comment was aimed at posters making dismissive, unhelpful remarks, ridiculing the OP, not those who were concerned about the issues you've just mentioned.

BeeDavis · 08/02/2022 14:31

If this upsets you then jesus strap yourself in for the next 18 years and beyond 🤯🤯

RobinPenguins · 08/02/2022 14:37

You’re breastfeeding and are providing baby with everything they need. Try not to worry!

She’d be providing the baby with everything they need if giving formula too.

Herewegoagain84 · 08/02/2022 14:49

she had gloves on and used hand sanitiser first... literally nothing to get worked up over. If she'd done it with unwashed bare hands, I'd be a bit Hmm as its not great practice, but the reality is the likelihood of harm is miniscule.

WitchWithoutChips · 08/02/2022 14:51

@RobinPenguins

You’re breastfeeding and are providing baby with everything they need. Try not to worry!

She’d be providing the baby with everything they need if giving formula too.

Are we supposed to pretend that breastfeeding does not have proven immunological benefits?
Iamanicepersonreally · 08/02/2022 15:00

Being desperately upset is a massive overreaction. Slightly miffed would be reasonable.

And what can you do? Nothing. Chill out

RobinPenguins · 08/02/2022 15:00

No, but the idea the benefits are great enough to make sticking a dirty finger in a breastfed baby’s mouth perfectly safe but sticking a dirty finger in a formula fed baby’s mouth a death sentence is a complete nonsense.

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