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Any Tory who defended Boris's Savile smear as 'cut and thrust' should immediately recant

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noblegiraffe · 07/02/2022 20:27

Any of the despicable lot who did the media rounds defending Boris making a far-right smear in parliament as 'political cut and thrust' should be faced with a journalist tomorrow asking whether they had reconsidered in the light of the mob surrounding Keir Starmer tonight calling him a fucking traitor, saying he should be hung, and repeating the same accusation. Their responses should be collated and published.

In recent years we have seen two MPs murdered. These mobs must be taken seriously. They should not be whipped up by the Prime Minister in the Houses of Parliament.

Boris has to accept responsibility for this, and every fucker who defended it as acceptable should be called to account.

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mummykel16 · 08/02/2022 23:26

I think I will give these threads a miss from now on, no one wants to consider why others feel and think the way they do anyway .

StoneofDestiny · 08/02/2022 23:33

Two more arses

Any Tory who defended Boris's Savile smear as 'cut and thrust' should immediately recant
StormzyinaTCup · 08/02/2022 23:39

Couple more

Any Tory who defended Boris's Savile smear as 'cut and thrust' should immediately recant
Grantanow · 09/02/2022 00:26

I won't vote for my local Tory MP next time. They are all tainted by this awful man in No 10 and his smear tactic. Disgusting behaviour. I was appalled by the moronic mob who surrounded Starmer repeating Johnson's smear. He really must go.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 09/02/2022 00:34

The cps under starmer was poor on high profile sexual abuse cases.

Not according to those who worked with abuse victims.

Any Tory who defended Boris's Savile smear as 'cut and thrust' should immediately recant
Any Tory who defended Boris's Savile smear as 'cut and thrust' should immediately recant
ilovesooty · 09/02/2022 02:17

@StormzyinaTCup

Couple more
Just what relevance does Jeremy Corbyn have to this situation?
WabbitsAndWeasels · 09/02/2022 08:35

I think to many people it's clear that there's a link between Johnson saying Starmer failed to prosecute Saville and the protesters outside shouting about (not a complete list) being a traitor and protecting a paedophile/s.

Seemingly according to this BBC article ( www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975.amp ) there have been increased rumblings about Starmer failing to prosecute Saville since at least 2020. I can't believe that it's mere coincidence that Johnson has chosen this particular point to use against Starmer.

This thread has been seriously derailed by several posters who seem unwilling to actually discuss if Johnson's outrageous lying, head in the sand or in some cases doubling down has put some people at risk of genuine harm. He lies constantly and not very well yet time and again and his party does very little about it. And people will continue to vote for a party that is ok with this just because they apparently protect women even though rape convictions are at an all time low and austerity affects women disproportionately to name just two.

I think the OP here has been mostly fair and they've provided an extremely useful list of MP's who've outright supported Johnson in this.

DuncinToffee · 09/02/2022 08:40

ilovesooty Corbyn made Johnson say it.

It is rather desperate to post pictures of Savile with Blair in order to defend Johnson's lies. Even his own MP's haven't gone that far.

StormzyinaTCup · 09/02/2022 09:35

Just what relevance does Jeremy Corbyn have to this situation?

Well, he is an arse and the connection is loose I'll grant you but so is Trump.

It is rather desperate to post pictures of Savile with Blair in order to defend Johnson's lies. Even his own MP's haven't gone that far.

🤣🤣 you'll be calling me a Boris fan girl next. No defending going on just not a lot of respect for any politician of any party, they are pretty much two cheeks of the same self serving arse [keeping in theme!] I think my posts reflect that.

DuncinToffee · 09/02/2022 10:09

I don't think you are a boris fan girl but the 'they are both as bad as each other' is a lazy argument.

There was only one party making those lies in Parliament and only one party defending them.

StormzyinaTCup · 09/02/2022 10:17

I don't think you are a boris fan girl but the 'they are both as bad as each other' is a lazy argument.

I didn’t say they are both as bad as each other rather, bar a handful, they are all as bad as each other. You only need to see the playground behaviour in the House of Commons that has been going on since 2016 to get a true picture of what our politicians are like.

HalfwomanHalfcookie · 09/02/2022 10:22

They are NOT all as bad as each other. I wish people would stop coming out with this stuff! It simply isn't true.

DuncinToffee · 09/02/2022 10:30

Once again, there was only ONE party making and defending the Savile smear.

And even within that party, many were disgusted with it. So no they are not all as bad as eachother.

StormzyinaTCup · 09/02/2022 10:35

I’m talking generally not specifically

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 09/02/2022 10:35

Johnson would love us to think they are all as bad as each other.
They are not.

Blossomtoes · 09/02/2022 10:36

@StormzyinaTCup

I’m talking generally not specifically
Makes no difference. It’s patently not true.
StormzyinaTCup · 09/02/2022 10:49

Makes no difference. It’s patently not true.

If you say so, just voicing my opinion.

DuncinToffee · 09/02/2022 10:52

But this thread is specifically about Johnson and his Savile smears.

SueSaid · 09/02/2022 11:49

'Once again, there was only ONE party making and defending the Savile smear.'

Once again, it isn't a smear. It is factually correct KS was head of the CPS when failures occurred regarding Savile. Hence his apology in 2013.

It probably wasn't wise to bring it up in PMQs but as an example of how the boss cannot always be held accountable for the failures of others then I can see why he thought he'd mention it.

Abhannmor · 09/02/2022 11:54

@MrsSkylerWhite

Am I right in thinking he spent more than one Christmas at Chequers with the Thatchers?

Skating on very thin ice.

11 is the figure I have seen. Open to correction. Big Daddy was a frequent guest too. You'd love to be a fly on that wall.
WabbitsAndWeasels · 09/02/2022 12:00

@JaniieJones

'Once again, there was only ONE party making and defending the Savile smear.'

Once again, it isn't a smear. It is factually correct KS was head of the CPS when failures occurred regarding Savile. Hence his apology in 2013.

It probably wasn't wise to bring it up in PMQs but as an example of how the boss cannot always be held accountable for the failures of others then I can see why he thought he'd mention it.

But that's not what Johnson said. Johnson said that Keir "spent most of his time prosecuting journalists and failing to prosecute Jimmy Savile". It's also been made clear in the following investigation that there was not enough evidence to prosecute at that time moreso Starmer would never have been made aware of any intent to prosecute ( same link as before www.bbc.com/news/60213975 ).

Surely the Prime Minister should lead by example, they should set the highest standards by which the government should operate. He shows utter contempt for everyone in that chamber and the voters. I genuinely believe he would do and say anything to stay in that position until the next election. Nothing he said regarding Saville and Starmer was true and moreover he knew that to be the case before he said it. He is happy to put people in danger and is apparently too busy to retract the statement as untrue. I don't understand how you can defend that statement that lead to the actions of the protesters.

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noblegiraffe · 09/02/2022 12:06

It probably wasn't wise to bring it up in PMQs but as an example of how the boss cannot always be held accountable for the failures of others

That’s not how he brought it up at all, and it is strange that you are twisting it to make what he did say seem more acceptable (just how you mis-described the Keir Starmer mob).

He said “This former director of public prosecutions spent most of his time prosecuting journalists and failing to prosecute Jimmy Savile,”

Nothing about being the boss and being accountable. And why bring up the journalists? Seems like he was trying to imply Starmer was wasting his time rather than anything else.

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Cygne · 09/02/2022 12:23

@Muminabun

The cps under starmer was poor on high profile sexual abuse cases. Starmer is arguably no friend to women. The levitt report was damming of the cps charging decisions re JS. I find it very difficult to believe that such high profile decisions had no involvement from starmer. His own deputy recently called her parliamentary colleagues‘Tory scum’. Sorry but I feel very little sympathy for starmer on this one.
It's really untrue that Starmer wasn't a friend to women. A colleague of mine who worked with rape victims said they found dealing with him refreshing; he listened to her and people working with them, and he showed a real determination to try to ensure that the CPS and police followed through on bringing rapists to justice and doing so effectively. Rape convictions rates rose when he was in charge.
Peregrina · 09/02/2022 12:33

It's most emphatically not true that they are all the same. Theresa May would not have countenanced the behaviour exhibited by Johnson.

Peregrina · 09/02/2022 12:40

But Janiies posts baffle me. Starmer is blamed for cases that never got to the stage of being referred upwards to him. When he did find out he took action to try to make sure that this never happened again.

Johnson however, is supposed not to know about parties which took place at his work or in his flat, and at best pretends that they were work events. Why is the bar set considerably higher for Starmer? He's not PM yet, although I believe that he would make a better one.