Any Tory who defended Boris's Savile smear as 'cut and thrust' should immediately recant

[noblegiraffe]

Any of the despicable lot who did the media rounds defending Boris making a far-right smear in parliament as 'political cut and thrust' should be faced with a journalist tomorrow asking whether they had reconsidered in the light of the mob surrounding Keir Starmer tonight calling him a fucking traitor, saying he should be hung, and repeating the same accusation. Their responses should be collated and published.

In recent years we have seen two MPs murdered. These mobs must be taken seriously. They should not be whipped up by the Prime Minister in the Houses of Parliament.

Boris has to accept responsibility for this, and every fucker who defended it as acceptable should be called to account.

@Gilead in not defending but you can't claim rayner was ok to say what she said as she didn't mean to rile anyone, neither of them are defendable and all of them need to act like grown ups and behave more appropriately , no other profession could you speak to and say things about colleagues etc

This mob seem to be the same ones outside Downing Street and Westminster that will shout abuse at all politicians and journalists including Gove last summer and chased a journalist too. They hate Boris probably more than Keir so I thibk it’s disingenuous to suggest they are a Boris inspired hate group. They are anti vax anti government group, you can see them more or less every weekend up there shouting about various things. Keir was wrong time, wrong place imo.
I think they are hard left as much as hard right. I think anti vax mandates crosses the political divide.
If Boris had been out taking a stroll he’d been chased down street too!

They shout more about Assange from what I have seen. I am not entirely sure why and I can’t be bothered to Google it but next time I walk by I’ll try and figure out whether they support him ( or the opposite) I think they support assange but could be wrong

@sashagabadon I think your right but many on here won't agree , it happens to mP's and its not right but people only take note when it suits
We need to stop it happening to anyone , you can disagree and not like something but all this hurling abuse needs to stop

[quote worriedatthemoment]@WindyState who knows what were they there for , was it purely from that comment ? That said he shouldn't of said it and all of them need to think about what they say and how they behave , its like a school playground in the house of commons
We should be prosecuting those that attend these things and actually harass someone though ,peaceful protests are one thing , hurling abuse to the extent is another and its happening more and more [/quote]
Even if the nutters are there week in week out, the fact is that Boris has given them a reason to target Kier Starmer specifically, and on the basis of something that is categorically not true with a background that in recent years we have lost 2 MPs to these kinds of people.

At the very least he should be correcting the record in the house. If he had any kind of moral fibre at all he should add an apology on to that - but then, if he had any he wouldn't have said it in the first place.

Why do you think it's a 'Leftie" mob?

Piers Corbyn was there with a microphone - I thought he described himself as a 'left-wing physicist'?

@WindyState yes he should apologise I agree but he sadly isn't the only one who has made comments who fuel these people

They’d have targeting Keir regardless. They hate the government AND the opposition equally maybe the government more.
If you’re ever in the hood at weekend pop by and you’ll see them

@Clavinova he seems to be at more protests than that

Someone defending Boris saying 'I think it's a case of one rule for Starmer and another for everyone else' who can't see the irony in that statement after her constant defending of him has to be the funniest thing I've read on mumsnet for a while! 😂😂😂😂😂

Yeah piers Corbyn is left wing and he pops up but I honestly think the left/ right divide is irrelevant on the anti vax position

They all share a pot, only some get called out for using it.

By the way I think the press gave misrepresentated this story. They should have made clear this was basically an anti vax protest like the hundreds of others we’ve had to put up with in London for the past 2 years. Some reports made it sound like a specific anti Keir protest which it wasn’t. Just like when Gove got chased it wasn’t an anti Gove protest on that occasion. And they must know this as there’s a lot of the same usual suspects in the crowd.

@sashagabadon typical of out press isn't it , then people read it and believe it rather than read whole story or use other sources

@sashagabadon

By the way I think the press gave misrepresentated this story. They should have made clear this was basically an anti vax protest like the hundreds of others we’ve had to put up with in London for the past 2 years. Some reports made it sound like a specific anti Keir protest which it wasn’t. Just like when Gove got chased it wasn’t an anti Gove protest on that occasion. And they must know this as there’s a lot of the same usual suspects in the crowd.

But that's not the point. The point is that

1. Boris stated a complete untruth and is refusing to withdraw or apologise for it.

2. The rent-a-mob have used the untruth as ammunition to go after one MP in particular.

The fact is that these fuckwits may be there week after week but this time they went after Kier using Boris's lie as justification. That wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Boris shooting his stupid mouth off because he was desperate.

@NETSRIK

Someone defending Boris saying 'I think it's a case of one rule for Starmer and another for everyone else' who can't see the irony in that statement after her constant defending of him has to be the funniest thing I've read on mumsnet for a while! 😂😂😂😂😂

Boris's detractors will say that the buck stops at the top. Ie: he is ultimately responsible for the behaviour of his cabinet. Is it not therefore true that given Starmer was DPP at the time of Jimmy Saviles non prosecution, that the buck stops with Starmer? It seems to work when the boot is on the other foot!!

But Windy are you honestly arguing that if this anti Gov / anti Gov Opposition mob had seen Keir Starmer and David Lammy a week ago before PMQ's they wouldn't have shouted and harrassed him just the same? Of course they would have. It would have played out the same.

I'm not saying it's right. i wish they would all bugger off and go home but this particular part of London is full of people protesting about all sorts. One day last summer I got caught up in about 5 different causes just walking around. I felt like Forrest Gump!

are you honestly arguing that if this anti Gov / anti Gov Opposition mob had seen Keir Starmer and David Lammy a week ago before PMQ's they wouldn't have shouted and harrassed him just the same?
Maybe might have still shouted and harassed but can you honestly not see that remarks made by Boris will have spurred them on and buoyed them up?!
Funny how someone came out with that just after Johnson's comment.

I'm arguing that Boris has given them ammunition based on a lie and an extremely emotive subject, and the accumative impact of that can be the difference between an MP being safe or not.

I genuinely don't think that makes a blind bit of difference to them - what Boris says in PMQ's. They hate Boris too.
I can only suggest you visit london one weekend, pop to Palaces of Westminster, hang around there for a bit then walk up to Downing Street - which alot of the time has a group outside shouting and waving banners and being very rude about Boris and then pop up to Hyde park and Speakers Corner (via Buck palace where you might catch some marching action) and you will see all sorts of things going on. Boring it is not!

Op's baiting of those who choose not to defend their voting:

There are always posters who will vote YABU on threads like this, but never actually try to defend their vote

13 people voting that IABU suggests that some are still up, but not willing to put their name to it.

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Then when @MorningStarling writes a lengthy response she gets:

Thanks for the laugh, MorningStarling, how long did that pile of bullshit take to come up with?

If that's the response to anyone who disagrees with you @noblegiraffe,
no wonder those with an alternative viewpoint are steering clear.

The fact that Boris has refused to apologise for what he said says it all, he doesn't care how much trouble he rakes up. When another MP is murdered it won't as usual be his fault.

@sashagabadon

I genuinely don't think that makes a blind bit of difference to them - what Boris says in PMQ's. They hate Boris too. I can only suggest you visit london one weekend, pop to Palaces of Westminster, hang around there for a bit then walk up to Downing Street - which alot of the time has a group outside shouting and waving banners and being very rude about Boris and then pop up to Hyde park and Speakers Corner (via Buck palace where you might catch some marching action) and you will see all sorts of things going on. Boring it is not!

So they would have been shouting "paedo" and naming Saville if Boris hadn't said what he said?

Like I said, these things accumulate. Stoking the fires of these idiots is completely irresponsible.

The clip I watched was only about 3 minutes long, so I may have missed where Saville was mentioned.
From what I heard the crowd were shouting,'Why are you not standing in opposition'. 'Have you forgot about the working man''.
Why were they calling him a traitor? A traitor to what?
They must have walked 100 m. When the camera panned across the road, there were several police cars. Why couldn't they have put Keir into one, instead of letting him walk down the street getting heckled?

^If that's the response to anyone who disagrees with you @noblegiraffe,
no wonder those with an alternative viewpoint are steering clear.^

Did you think that there was an ounce of sincerity in that response, Fontella? It read like those tweets dutifully copied and pasted from the Tory whatsapp group.