Any Tory who defended Boris's Savile smear as 'cut and thrust' should immediately recant

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Any of the despicable lot who did the media rounds defending Boris making a far-right smear in parliament as 'political cut and thrust' should be faced with a journalist tomorrow asking whether they had reconsidered in the light of the mob surrounding Keir Starmer tonight calling him a fucking traitor, saying he should be hung, and repeating the same accusation. Their responses should be collated and published.

In recent years we have seen two MPs murdered. These mobs must be taken seriously. They should not be whipped up by the Prime Minister in the Houses of Parliament.

Boris has to accept responsibility for this, and every fucker who defended it as acceptable should be called to account.

@mummykel16 I doubt it, no alternative

Is that right, aye?

North Shropshire must be Scotch mist then.

Another one for the list:

Brandon Lewis ("fair and reasonable point" that "somebody at the top of an organisation has responsibility for what happens in it")

@Distant01

The clip I watched was only about 3 minutes long, so I may have missed where Saville was mentioned. From what I heard the crowd were shouting,'Why are you not standing in opposition'. 'Have you forgot about the working man''. Why were they calling him a traitor? A traitor to what? They must have walked 100 m. When the camera panned across the road, there were several police cars. Why couldn't they have put Keir into one, instead of letting him walk down the street getting heckled?

A traitor to real Labour values I think is their point. A traitor to the workers.

I've no idea why they wouldn't just get cars closer to their locality. Who walks about when there's nutters protesting.

I hope it wasn't a publicity stunt that went wrong. Perhaps he was expecting adulation from Piers Corbyn & Co?

Perhaps he was expecting adulation from Piers Corbyn & Co?

Are you not very politically aware?

'Are you not very politically aware?'

Well I can't think why anyone would go walkabout when there's protestors on the doorstep.

Perhaps he isn't very politically aware?

So it's was Starmer's fault he was mobbed. I get you.

They were shouting "you protected a paedo."

How anyone can pretend that it was nothing to do with Johnson I'll never know.

Ah, the 'basically, he was asking for it' defence.

I hope it wasn't a publicity stunt that went wrong. Perhaps he was expecting adulation from Piers Corbyn & Co?

It has a whiff of something about it.

'So it's was Starmer's fault he was mobbed. I get you'

Surely they have intelligence. Surely they knew there'd be prostestors there. There were fliers all over sm.

It just all seems very odd.

There weren't fliers all over my social media...

@Notonthestairs

There weren't fliers all over my social media...

Well on social media. As in it wasn't a secret event. They knew it was going on so why not avoid the mob?!

Ah, just been on twitter, this 'it was staged' thing has started to be fed out there.

Uhuh. So were they genuine protesters and Starmer provoked them into using the Savile smear used by Johnson in Parliament by...taking a walk?

I doubt Keir would expect or want adulation from Piers Corbyn

of course it wasn't a set up by anyone

It was a group of protestors already there (as they often are) who spotted Keir. And they are a mixture of left and right.
the Corbyn left hate Keir, they likely think he has betrayed the working people with being pro-lockdown. That's where the traitor thing comes from. I think that is the beef anyway.

@JaniieJones

'Are you not very politically aware?'

Well I can't think why anyone would go walkabout when there's protestors on the doorstep.

Perhaps he isn't very politically aware?

There are always protesters hanging about. The difference is that they don't tend to mob MPs on the basis of Boris egging them on with lies about specific members.

Boris's detractors will say that the buck stops at the top. Ie: he is ultimately responsible for the behaviour of his cabinet. Is it not therefore true that given Starmer was DPP at the time of Jimmy Saviles non prosecution, that the buck stops with Starmer? It seems to work when the boot is on the other foot!!

You are comparing apples with pears. The CPS could not prosecute because none of the victims felt able to go to court and give evidence against a man who had vastly more power than they did

And why was he so powerful? Because he was famous and hobnobbed with Tory politicians and the Royal Family.

They were shouting "you protected a paedo."

To be fair - someone did shout that out to Michael Gove when he was mobbed recently.

[quote baroqueandblue]**@mummykel16* I doubt it, no alternative*

Is that right, aye?

North Shropshire must be Scotch mist then.[/quote]
Why what vast improvement/difference have they got?

Hard to believe how close Johnson has brought us to Trumpian government. The lies, the incitement, the slurs, the denials and the sycophantic followers who would lie under oath for Johnson if they thought they'd save their jobs.

I understand given the title of the thread, why the focus is on the Saville smear.

However, the discussion seems to be ignoring the bigger picture.

This slur (however you want to spin it) was made by a man who partied whist simultaneously locking down the rest of the country.

The reason why this incident has gathered momentum is because it's yet another example of our Prime Minister deflecting attention away from his own failures, lies and arrogance.

I'm not surprised that some people are still supporting him. After all BJ has never hidden the sort of man he is and he was voted in anyway (by both the party and the people),

What's actually incredulous is that a man whose grave errors of judgement and incompetence over decades ever got to be leader of the Tory party in the first place.

I can only fathom that some people are hoodwinked by "big dog" into thinking his chaotic blustering buffoon like style is merely a front for some inner genius it's not btw.

Others I think simply didn't care about the leader of the country being a man whose moral compass points only in the direction of self service because unbelievably what the Labour Party offered was worse.

In as much the Tories won the last GE, Labour pissed it away with an unrealistic manifesto, a leader who was a charisma/trust free zone, refusal to protect woman's rights and a policy on Brexit that managed to alienate leavers and remainders alike.

Labour is still not perfect by any means but Tories who still think that Boris was the "magic fairy" who delivered their 80 seat majority are fooling themselves.

He's become a liability in proving yet again that he not a man capable of growth and that you you really can't teach an old big dog new tricks.

Food for thought from Marina Hyde today:

“Anyway: we go again. One calendar week after Johnson tried to wriggle off the “partygate” hook by shouting something grim about Keir Starmer and Jimmy Savile, Keir Starmer was beset in the street by a mob shouting something grim about him and Jimmy Savile. It’s important to be clear that they were shouting a load of other grim stuff, too – but I’m afraid that isn’t the get-out Downing Street seems to think it is. In fact, it just underlines why no prime minister, ever, should be feeding dangerous conspiracy theories, which run the gamut from anti-vax all the way to antisemitism, via a selection of paedophile-based nonsense and much else besides. If recent rallies and demos have taught us anything, it’s that there is, increasingly, plenty of overlap. These days, all sorts of persuasions are fellow travellers.

You need to be against ALL this stuff, elementally, not just the bits that can’t get you out of a hole in the House of Commons. It’s the same with mobs: the mob that targeted Jacob Rees-Mogg and his son a while back was just as bad as the mob that surrounded Starmer and David Lammy on Monday, as was the mob that repeatedly abused Dominic Cummings in his own street. They’re all a pox and a signpost of worse to come, and no politician who truly cares about their country should pander to them.”

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/08/no-10-chernobyl-boris-johnson-keir-starmer-mob

She's very right about the links between all this stuff.

Back to the OP and her name and shame list of Tory defendants of Johnson lies.
Actually, I think we need a list of all those MPs who have stayed silent about Johnson's lies and not outright condemned them. How does they saying go? When good men stay silent, evil succeeds? Something like that.

@Clavinova I don't blame you for not wanting your son to learn all the racist, misogynist homophobic language Johnson routinely uses. I wouldn't want my children hearing such things either. I do think it's important they know Johnson is a racist, misogynist, homophob though and this and the language he uses brings him a lot of support from certain groups though. They need to know what sort of man the PM is. I would really, really hope my children were NEVER drawn to such a man.

Well I can't think why anyone would go walkabout when there's protestors on the doorstep

Because it’s a three minute walk from the MoD to the Commons. It would take longer to get in and out of a car than to walk. MPs walk around Westminster all the time.

Kendodd

I've told ds2 (13) that some Labour MPs drag up quotes from 20 years ago for political gain - clearly showing they have no concern for the current generation of teenage boys - i.e. his generation.

'Because it’s a three minute walk from the MoD to the Commons. It would take longer to get in and out of a car than to walk. MPs walk around Westminster all the time.'

His security should have know there was a protest, they should have warned him 12 people may start shouting abuse and one may shout Saville something then other arrangements could have been made.