Any Tory who defended Boris's Savile smear as 'cut and thrust' should immediately recant

[noblegiraffe]

Any of the despicable lot who did the media rounds defending Boris making a far-right smear in parliament as 'political cut and thrust' should be faced with a journalist tomorrow asking whether they had reconsidered in the light of the mob surrounding Keir Starmer tonight calling him a fucking traitor, saying he should be hung, and repeating the same accusation. Their responses should be collated and published.

In recent years we have seen two MPs murdered. These mobs must be taken seriously. They should not be whipped up by the Prime Minister in the Houses of Parliament.

Boris has to accept responsibility for this, and every fucker who defended it as acceptable should be called to account.

And what did you tell him about Johnson's Savile comments Clav?

@JaniieJones

'Because it’s a three minute walk from the MoD to the Commons. It would take longer to get in and out of a car than to walk. MPs walk around Westminster all the time.'

His security should have know there was a protest, they should have warned him 12 people may start shouting abuse and one may shout Saville something then other arrangements could have been made.

There’s always a protest. Those people or their ilk have been there for a decade.

As always your factual, calm posts Clav are a refreshing change. Some just don't like links and facts at all.

Oh, we love facts. Including the fact that, whenever Clav can't answer an awkward question (usually because a truthful and accurate answer would reveal her hero for the being the lying, corrupt incompetent that he is) she resorts to linking something totally irrelevant.

She's very right about the links between all this stuff

It’s the same with mobs: the mob that targeted Jacob Rees-Mogg and his son a while back was just as bad as the mob that surrounded Starmer and David Lammy on Monday, as was the mob that repeatedly abused Dominic Cummings in his own street.

She [Marina Hyde] hasn't made the connection between David Lammy and what happened to Jacob Rees-Mogg and his son;

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-lammy-tory-brexiteers-nazi-aprtheid-racist-immigration-erg-rees-mogg-a8869371.html

what's your opinion on Johnson's smear against Starmer. And do you think Johnson should apologise for it?

I haven't seen a 'smear campaign', are you mixing him up with the media?

The word "campaign" didn't feature there, and it makes a material difference. Are you mixing up what people post with what you would like them to post, @JaniieJones?

And what did you tell him about Johnson's Savile comments Clav?

He hasn't mentioned those - I doubt he knows who Jimmy Savile is/was.

I watched a clip of this on GMB news this morning. The look on that slimy toad Jacob Rees Moggs face made me feel physically sick. He was like a weedy school boy cheering on a school yard scrap. Disgusting, the lot of them.

@Onetraumaatatimeplease

I watched a clip of this on GMB news this morning. The look on that slimy toad Jacob Rees Moggs face made me feel physically sick. He was like a weedy school boy cheering on a school yard scrap. Disgusting, the lot of them.

There are no words to describe how much I’m looking forward to him getting his comeuppance. Seeing that smirk wiped off his smug, weaselly little face will make my day.

Look, they weren't there to hurl JS abuse look at the footage it is all 'traitor!' As he is such a poor leader and something about 'the workers'. The msm picked up on the one Saville comment and here we are

So you're saying the Speaker got it wrong, @JaniieJones? Obviously he should have checked with you.

@Clavinova

And what did you tell him about Johnson's Savile comments Clav?

He hasn't mentioned those - I doubt he knows who Jimmy Savile is/was.

He hasn't listened to the radio lately then?

Lucky you

Boris's detractors will say that the buck stops at the top. Ie: he is ultimately responsible for the behaviour of his cabinet. Is it not therefore true that given Starmer was DPP at the time of Jimmy Saviles non prosecution, that the buck stops with Starmer? It seems to work when the boot is on the other foot!!

Oh dear, old and tired response, @Georgeskitchen. The Attorney General was actually the person at the top in relation to this issue. And it was perfectly simple; there wasn't adequate evidence available at the time to give a prosecution of Savile any chance of succeeding. So there wasn't actually any buck to stop anyway.

He hasn't listened to the radio lately then?

Not so much during the school term - no.

'So you're saying the Speaker got it wrong, @JaniieJones? Obviously he should have checked with you.'

He should've indeed. 12 people shouting abuse, which as has been pointed out is not a new phenomenon, is not Johnson's fault.

They just need to find a way to control mobs/small groups of shouting people a bit more effectively.

@BreadInCaptivity

I understand given the title of the thread, why the focus is on the Saville smear.

However, the discussion seems to be ignoring the bigger picture.

This slur (however you want to spin it) was made by a man who partied whist simultaneously locking down the rest of the country.

The reason why this incident has gathered momentum is because it's yet another example of our Prime Minister deflecting attention away from his own failures, lies and arrogance.

I'm not surprised that some people are still supporting him. After all BJ has never hidden the sort of man he is and he was voted in anyway (by both the party and the people),

What's actually incredulous is that a man whose grave errors of judgement and incompetence over decades ever got to be leader of the Tory party in the first place.

I can only fathom that some people are hoodwinked by "big dog" into thinking his chaotic blustering buffoon like style is merely a front for some inner genius it's not btw.

Others I think simply didn't care about the leader of the country being a man whose moral compass points only in the direction of self service because unbelievably what the Labour Party offered was worse.

In as much the Tories won the last GE, Labour pissed it away with an unrealistic manifesto, a leader who was a charisma/trust free zone, refusal to protect woman's rights and a policy on Brexit that managed to alienate leavers and remainders alike.

Labour is still not perfect by any means but Tories who still think that Boris was the "magic fairy" who delivered their 80 seat majority are fooling themselves.

He's become a liability in proving yet again that he not a man capable of growth and that you you really can't teach an old big dog new tricks.

Agree with most of this, I've always been surprised that people with criminal records are allowed to attain power, but it is what it is.

Where has Janie got "12 people shouting abuse" from? That's an awfully specific number and the videos I've seen certainly make it difficult to count.

Here's a video twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1490775668262641665?s=21 it has helpful subtitles so you can pick out the things Janie has neglected to mention like the shouts of "you should be hung" "fuck protecting paedophiles" "you're protecting paedophiles" and "you are going to burn"

They just need to find a way to control mobs/small groups of shouting people a bit more effectively.

They tried that with the recent Police etc. bill. How they would like to shut up all dissent.
Happily the Lords threw a lot of it out.

Starmer took over as DPP in 2008 , four years after the Met began their case against Savile. They dropped it because no witnesses would come forward. Afaik Starmers only role was to review all this. Given that Jimmy Savile was first reported to the police in 1953 it's a bit rich of Johnson to blame this scandal on Keir Starmer. I sincerely hope he gets his uppance as he is not fit to be Prime Minister.

@Abhannmor

Starmer took over as DPP in 2008 , four years after the Met began their case against Savile. They dropped it because no witnesses would come forward. Afaik Starmers only role was to review all this. Given that Jimmy Savile was first reported to the police in 1953 it's a bit rich of Johnson to blame this scandal on Keir Starmer. I sincerely hope he gets his uppance as he is not fit to be Prime Minister.

I agree, starmer should never be prime minister

@noblegiraffe

Where has Janie got "12 people shouting abuse" from? That's an awfully specific number and the videos I've seen certainly make it difficult to count.

Here's a video twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1490775668262641665?s=21 it has helpful subtitles so you can pick out the things Janie has neglected to mention like the shouts of "you should be hung" "fuck protecting paedophiles" "you're protecting paedophiles" and "you are going to burn"

Watch what willsy said

They just need to find a way to control mobs/small groups of shouting people a bit more effectively.
Or our loutish oaf of a PM could avoid shooting his stupid mouth off to try to draw attention away from his lies

Who or what is willsy?

I agree, starmer should never be prime minister
Why?
Also did you misread that comment on purpose or just trying to be funny?
As it clearly says that it's BJ not fit to be Prime Minister

Boris's detractors will say that the buck stops at the top. Ie: he is ultimately responsible for the behaviour of his cabinet. Is it not therefore true that given Starmer was DPP at the time of Jimmy Saviles non prosecution, that the buck stops with Starmer? It seems to work when the boot is on the other foot!!
No, as a Boris detractor I say his personal behaviour is reprehensible. It’s nothing to do with where the buck stops, even though it doesn’t slow down near Johnson. His very obvious lies are unacceptable. His attempt to change the rules to help Owen Patterson continue as he was - unacceptable. I could go on. His jive at Starmer was pathetic.

Jibe of course - Pah!

Don’t know how you sleep at night, Clavinova.
The idea that you are influencing young people is disturbing.