Any Tory who defended Boris's Savile smear as 'cut and thrust' should immediately recant

[noblegiraffe]

Any of the despicable lot who did the media rounds defending Boris making a far-right smear in parliament as 'political cut and thrust' should be faced with a journalist tomorrow asking whether they had reconsidered in the light of the mob surrounding Keir Starmer tonight calling him a fucking traitor, saying he should be hung, and repeating the same accusation. Their responses should be collated and published.

In recent years we have seen two MPs murdered. These mobs must be taken seriously. They should not be whipped up by the Prime Minister in the Houses of Parliament.

Boris has to accept responsibility for this, and every fucker who defended it as acceptable should be called to account.

So we have Boris supporters describing Boris's comments as cringey, or not the sort of thing they'd want their 13 year old son to hear.

I think the leftie mob with the noose should be arrested for inciting violence.
So do I.
Who made JS remarks in the first place though, coincidinkly not long before this happened?!
Is that not inciting violence in your eyes too?

PerkingFaintly

Do you think Starmer's 'Johnson Variant' label was responsible? Surely Keir Starmer should apologise to Boris Johnson first?

July 2021 Forbes.com The hashtag #JohnsonVariant is trending on Twitter.

@JaniieJones

'what's your opinion on Johnson's smear against Starmer. And do you think Johnson should apologise for it?'

I haven't seen a 'smear campaign', are you mixing him up with the media?

If the buck always stops with the boss then his comments about KS being head of the CPS when JS wasn't prosecuted were factually true, however perhaps PMQs was neither the time nor the place to voice them.

No I don't think he should apologise, I think the leftie mob with the noose should be arrested for inciting violence. Maybe they were, the media are so selective on what they actually tell us.

Boris's remarks in PMQ have been shown to be categorically false.

And they have lead - directly - to Starmer being placed at risk. Trying to claim that they haven't is patently idiotic.

It's telling that no tory MP has repeated the claim outside of parliament as they know what was said is potentially libellous. Boris - the fucking coward that he is - is hiding behind parliamentary privilege in a desperate attempt to deflect.

You cannot use Rayner’s remarks as any sort of comparison, they were said without intention if riling an angry mob. Johnson was warned not to use said remarks and was warned of possible outcomes should he use them. He went into Parliament, used them whilst being fully aware of the outcome. Nobody took to the streets after Rayner’s (justified imo) remarks. Get out of the cul de sac and back onto the main road. Johnson is as narcissistic as Trump and just as bloody dangerous.

The Speaker of the House has made a statement to Commons linking Johnson's words in the House to the actions of the mob and saying 'Words have consequences and we should be mindful of that fact'

twitter.com/edcmpbl/status/1491020246345723908?s=21

@JaniieJones

'what's your opinion on Johnson's smear against Starmer. And do you think Johnson should apologise for it?'

I haven't seen a 'smear campaign', are you mixing him up with the media?

If the buck always stops with the boss then his comments about KS being head of the CPS when JS wasn't prosecuted were factually true, however perhaps PMQs was neither the time nor the place to voice them.

No I don't think he should apologise, I think the leftie mob with the noose should be arrested for inciting violence. Maybe they were, the media are so selective on what they actually tell us.

JaniieJones, I didn't say "campaign". You have used quote marks and deliberately misquoted me. Why did you do that?

Similarly, Johnson didn't make comments about the buck always stopping with the boss. He blamed Starmer personally.

You seem to have repeated difficulty dealing with what people have actually said, and resort to pretending they've said something different.

Why is that?

'Who made JS remarks in the first place though, coincidinkly not long before this happened?!Is that not inciting violence in your eyes too?'

Look, they weren't there to hurl JS abuse look at the footage it is all 'traitor!' As he is such a poor leader and something about 'the workers'. The msm picked up on the one Saville comment and here we are.

Is Starmer's 'Johnson variant' the new Starmer's beer whataboutery?

Look, they weren't there to hurl JS abuse look at the footage it is all 'traitor!'

So what you're saying is that they hadn't planned abuse to throw at Starmer but then remembered the line that Johnson had thrown at him the previous week and thought it was a good one?

That Johnson basically gave the mob ammunition?

@DuncinToffee

Is Starmer's 'Johnson variant' the new Starmer's beer whataboutery?

I think it's just a case of one rule for Starmer and another for everyone else.

I mean come on, how awfully crass to say 'the Johnson variant'. People have lost loved ones we've all endured an awful couple of years yet Starmer is attempting to crack jokes and score points. Just such bad taste.

@JaniieJones

'Who made JS remarks in the first place though, coincidinkly not long before this happened?!Is that not inciting violence in your eyes too?'

Look, they weren't there to hurl JS abuse look at the footage it is all 'traitor!' As he is such a poor leader and something about 'the workers'. The msm picked up on the one Saville comment and here we are.

Sure love.

@JaniieJones

'Who made JS remarks in the first place though, coincidinkly not long before this happened?!Is that not inciting violence in your eyes too?'

Look, they weren't there to hurl JS abuse look at the footage it is all 'traitor!' As he is such a poor leader and something about 'the workers'. The msm picked up on the one Saville comment and here we are.

The grooming gangs was what I watched been shouted about mostly, free

Boris is a filthy string of piss & his behaviour, yet again, is abhorrent

Gilead
You cannot use Rayner’s remarks as any sort of comparison
Nobody took to the streets after Rayner’s (justified imo) remarks

Angela Rayner repeated the phrase more than once - the first time in 2020 in the House of Commons;

Amanda Milling has written to Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer asking if he will take action against Labour MPs "who perpetrate abuse".

the phrase "Tory scum" [was] trending on Twitter and had caused "widespread abuse towards members of our parliamentary party", including abusive phone calls and MPs' offices being targeted.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54675232

She used the phrase again (and worse) at the Labour Party Conference in 2021.

Keir Starmer's response in 2021;

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has said the comments were “not language that I would have used” and said it is a matter for Ms Rayner whether she apologised.

[quote noblegiraffe]The Speaker of the House has made a statement to Commons linking Johnson's words in the House to the actions of the mob and saying 'Words have consequences and we should be mindful of that fact'

twitter.com/edcmpbl/status/1491020246345723908?s=21[/quote]
Good ! Thanks for posting this @noblegiraffe. This Speaker is not given to hasty statements, so that should carry some weight hopefully.

People have lost loved ones we've all endured an awful couple of years yet Starmer is attempting to crack jokes and score points. Just such bad taste

People have lost loved ones we've all endured an awful couple of years yet Johnson is attempting to defend 16 illegal gatherings in Downing Street at the height of lockdown. Just such bad taste.

@DuncinToffee

Is Starmer's 'Johnson variant' the new Starmer's beer whataboutery?

"Just such bad taste."

I really, REALLY don't think Boris or any of his paid support has any right to label barbs thrown about in the HoC as poor taste.

Fat jokes about the SNP leader. Refering to women as "whatshername". Jimmy Saville. Pick a week and he's being a tasteless twat about someone.

Gilead
Nobody took to the streets after Rayner’s (justified imo) remarks

David Lammy was with Keir Starmer yesterday - arguably people took to the streets after his remarks in 2019:

Labour MP David Lammy says his comparison of Tory Brexiteers to Nazis ‘wasn’t strong enough. (interview clip in the link);

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-lammy-tory-brexiteers-nazi-aprtheid-racist-immigration-erg-rees-mogg-a8869371.html

Jacob Rees-Mogg and his son, 12, get a police escort out of parliament as protesters yell ‘Nazi’ and ‘traitor’.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/10170342/anti-brexit-march-rees-mogg-son-protesters-hurled-abuse/

@WindyState but that is true why they were there they were protesting about something else, you can disagree with comments etc and state not factual but then you can't choose to ignore other facts about why they were protesting

@Gilead how do you know johnsons words were to rile an angry mob ?
All of them need to watch what they say and learn to debate like adults as words do have consequences
None if us behave like this in our business meetings and throw around personal insults , they all need to be more careful

I really feel that those of you defending Johnson and this government in general should be ashamed of themselves.
Johnson is a racist and a narcissist and is running a ‘rip off Britain’ campaign with Rishi et al. Poor people are suffering, shareholders are going to get bonuses and windfalls via the utilities scam and the PM is pissing on the carpet and rubbing your nose in it. Wake up!

If Johnson hadn't stated that complete and utter lie, would there be a bunch of idiots specifically targetting Kier Starmer and shouting "paedo" at him?

Of course not.

"I think the leftie mob with the noose should be arrested for inciting violence."

Why do you think it's a 'Leftie" mob?

There's are people on SM accounts identifying a Conservative ex-councillor who appears to have been at several of these mob protests, inciting trouble.

It reminds me of when Eddie Mair interviewed Johnson about Darius Guppy: "You're a nasty piece of work, aren't you?"

@WindyState who knows what were they there for , was it purely from that comment ? That said he shouldn't of said it and all of them need to think about what they say and how they behave , its like a school playground in the house of commons
We should be prosecuting those that attend these things and actually harass someone though ,peaceful protests are one thing , hurling abuse to the extent is another and its happening more and more