Should the monarchy end with this queen?

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YABU Charles will be the next king, we can’t pick and choose and the system should go on

YANBU the monarchy should end and we get to vote on a president in future

Apart from the fact that you can’t be that committed to republicanism if you only want it once the nice old lady we have now has passed on

As I've said upthread, it's more that these people have never been committed to monarchism, they just like the Queen as HOS.

@TheKeatingFive Do you get the impression that the RF are acutely aware of this, in that their position in the minds / hearts of the nation are down to the Queen herself and once she's gone the sentiment might look very different?

Do you get the impression that the RF are acutely aware of this, in that their position in the minds / hearts of the nation are down to the Queen herself and once she's gone the sentiment might look very different?

Perhaps some of them. However I doubt Charles has this kind of awareness and his opinion will be most important.

@AuxArmesCitoyens, a bit about sustainable fuel. By being there they got the conference prime time press coverage globally.

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@AuxArmesCitoyens, why does it matter how many cars he has? he can only use one at a time. We need people spending money and buying goods.

"Do you get the impression that the RF are acutely aware of this, in that their position in the minds / hearts of the nation are down to the Queen herself and once she's gone the sentiment might look very different?"

I think that they wasn't, until Meghan and Harry shook things up. Then William and Kate realised that they had to be more visible.

You wouldn't save any money, and would still need figureheads.

@TheKeatingFive

Apart from the fact that you can’t be that committed to republicanism if you only want it once the nice old lady we have now has passed on

As I've said upthread, it's more that these people have never been committed to monarchism, they just like the Queen as HOS.

But the two are inseparable. The Queen is head of state because she is the the Queen - not because people think Liz Windsor, the woman with that big house just outside Slough, is a jolly nice lady.

Lol at the 'skip Charles' monarchists. Brilliant.

Bin the lot of them. The whole concept of a royal family is offensive.

not because people think Liz Windsor, the woman with that big house just outside Slough, is a jolly nice lady.

My point is exactly this. That's why people support her, because they like jolly nice Liz as head of state. They don't actually support a monarchical system. So Charles will be a huge test.

@topcat2014 what do you mean by 'need figureheads'. Lots of countries have no royal family

By being there they got the conference prime time press coverage globally

Bollocks. Do you really believe the press wouldn't have covered it otherwise? On sustainable fuel, using no fuel at all by not making unnecessary trips is better. And of course having a massive fleet of cars is more wasteful than just having one.

@Ncwinc

I think that Ireland’s size makes the difference - a population of under 5 million people. England alone has over 55 million people. Even though the job of president would be shaking hands and cutting ribbons we’d still have a lot more arseholes interested in applying for the role.

I think Ireland's voting system makes a difference - single transferable vote instead of first past the post. The French run-off election has a similar effect.

When people say ah yes but we couldn't be trusted to elect a decent human being in the UK, that's sad. Because you're not less capable of democracy than other nations surely. Just have a terrible electoral system that means your representatives don't really represent you.

So - don't replace the monarchy with a first-past-the-post candidate if you want moderates and consensus builders as presidents.

We did have a revolution, or at least England did (English Civil War) it just happened too early in history at a point when there wasn't much of a precedent for a European nation without a hereditary monarch, and it left us with a psychopath in charge and hundreds of thousands of people dead. And then the Cromwells were so awful (Oliver) and incompetent (Richard) we begged to have the monarchy back anyway. Who were then at various stages, awful for the country.

I'm a republican, but under no illusions that whether we leave it to a vote or hereditary right, we will end up with some shithead at the helm at some point. About half of England actively enjoy voting shitheads in as their MPs, so what hope do we have in voting for an elected President?

As someone upthread pointed out, at one point Andrew was third in line to the throne. If Charles had died childless, Andrew would have been king once the Queen died. It's all incredibly depressing.

If you want a different system, hammer out the details before committing to it.

Otherwise we'll be stuck with a much more serious version of, "I voted for a Brexit, but not THIS Brexit."

Realistically, given her age, it would wrong to bank on having the time to do that before the current Queen dies.

YES!!

YANBU
It's outrageous and has no place in a modern society. If the royal family had any morals then they would step down. It's hard not to respect the Queen but I'd prefer never to see or hear of any of the rest of them ever again.
I don't won't some unelected privileged twit thinking they can be Head of State just because they were born into a certain family. We are meant to be living in a democracy.
It doesn't help that so many of them seem to be particularly clueless and spoilt. 😅

@TheKeatingFive

not because people think Liz Windsor, the woman with that big house just outside Slough, is a jolly nice lady.

My point is exactly this. That's why people support her, because they like jolly nice Liz as head of state. They don't actually support a monarchical system. So Charles will be a huge test.

Well I agree it will certainly be a different conversation once Charles is King. I also think a lot will depend on how long the Queen lives. If the Queen makes it to her 100th birthday, Charles will be nearly 78. If he doesn’t even become King until he’s 80, there might be a general air of ‘Well, in ten years or so William will be King anyway; we like him’.

But as for the original question of ‘Should the monarchy end with the Queen?’, it simply won’t. The Queen’s death might eventually provoke a wider debate further down the line, but it would be political suicide for either of the two main parties to push for a referendum in her lifetime.

The thing is, the Queen is older than almost everybody in this country. She has an attitude of service and she's a historical figure in the sense that she was around in WW2 etc.

That's very different from being lorded over by young Prince William who I can remember toddling around on the mat in Australia.

It doesn't feel like the monarchy is relevant to the times we live in which have changed so much, so yes I do think it will end after the Queen.

Yes end it. It's the 21st century and we are being 'ruled' by our Godly appointed betters? Nope.

We will still get tourism due to our history. The royal family needs to go.

The thing is, the Queen is older than almost everybody in this country

That's very different from being lorded over by young Prince William who I can remember toddling around on the mat in Australia

That just gave me a weird thought - my DMum is in her early 90s, and although she remember 4 monarchs, there has never been one younger than she is

@GalesThisMorning

I asked this on another thread - how does it end? Do we vote them out? Who calls the vote?

It would be a referendum

@Darbs76

No I don’t think the monarchy should end. Charles has every right to be King and I’m sure he will be a good King. Obviously people want William to be King but his time will come. Charles has waited a lifetime for his opportunity so of course it’s not fair to skip him. That’s not how it works unless he decides that, which is highly unlikely

Right? What right does ANYONE have to be king. Ffs do watch yourself whilst you doff your cap.

@Mountainpika

Would we want to run the risk of having a president like Trump?

A president is completely different from a constitutional monarch. The Queen has no real power unlike a president

The Queen’s death might eventually provoke a wider debate further down the line, but it would be political suicide for either of the two main parties to push for a referendum in her lifetime

And that's exactly why it's not happened, since the Queen's "ratings" have always been pretty good

For we republicans Charles may well hold more promise than he does in practically anything else, though with W&K and their obsessively curated image waiting in the wings, a lot could depend on how long he lasts