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Part 6 A thread for the continued enjoyment of Boris' downfall, enjoyment being important

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jgw1 · 04/02/2022 14:09

What the title says.

This will be the one where he resigns, so if please keep the whatabout to a minimum.

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DuncinToffee · 04/02/2022 17:02

Johnson has sent an email vowing too give MPs a direct line to DS

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/exclusive-boris-johnson-emails-tory-mps-promising-to-listen_uk_61fd43e6e4b09170e9d01acf?

merrymouse · 04/02/2022 17:13

Probably but do you care about his experience? Genuinely? Bereavement is a lonely process. Once the funeral is over no one really wants to know.

Yes, genuinely, because he is another human being.

thecatfromjapan · 04/02/2022 17:22

@OhYouBadBadKitten

Hopefully it's clear I'm campaigning for others! Grin
Yes. 🙂

I also suspect you're fab on the doorstep.

In honesty, the big risk with May - and beyond that, the GE - is people not showing up to vote. The massive risk is that all of this deepens people's cynicism about politics.

It's just so, so crucial to counteract that cynicism.

My deepest wish is that people will get out and get active. Tell people that, no, all politicians are not the same; politics matters; their vote matters.

Because this is true.

Notonthestairs · 04/02/2022 17:22

Derxa - of course grief is solitary, especially over the long term. But some people find reassurance or comfort in gathering together after a death. It's not an accident that commemorations have happened in various forms for 1000's of years.

We shouldn't dictate how other people manage after "losing" a "loved one".

We are not all built the same - your way of doing things is no more correct than others.

52andblue · 04/02/2022 17:23

Bigly Placematting Grin

derxa · 04/02/2022 17:24

@merrymouse

Probably but do you care about his experience? Genuinely? Bereavement is a lonely process. Once the funeral is over no one really wants to know.

Yes, genuinely, because he is another human being.

Did you care about BJ losing his mother recently?
OhYouBadBadKitten · 04/02/2022 17:24

Those are wise things to thing about Cat and I'll remember that :)

longwayoff · 04/02/2022 17:24

He'd be better off fixing a direct line to the Almighty. He's going to need it. Maybe Rees Mogg or Gove can help him out with that.

thecatfromjapan · 04/02/2022 17:25

Have to admit, Bell brought a tear to my eye.
I'd worry about who I was if what he said didn't affect me.

Being humane, responding humanely to others, is a good thing. Just a fundamentally good thing.

derxa · 04/02/2022 17:35

@Notonthestairs

Derxa - of course grief is solitary, especially over the long term. But some people find reassurance or comfort in gathering together after a death. It's not an accident that commemorations have happened in various forms for 1000's of years.

We shouldn't dictate how other people manage after "losing" a "loved one".

We are not all built the same - your way of doing things is no more correct than others.

But I'm part of a very traditional family who have massive funerals and that's a brilliant thing. I feel sad that the MP's GM didn't get the send off she deserved. The 'Rules' around funerals were stupid and cruel. They 'followed the science'. Awful as BJ is I don't think he believed the rules set by the Govt. As for me grieving, when my brother died at 32 there was all sorts of sympathy at first. Then it disappeared because people are afraid of death and bereaved people (they think it's catching)
merrymouse · 04/02/2022 17:43

Did you care about BJ losing his mother recently?

Yes. I have thought about that and what sounds like a difficult childhood. I’m not saying it keeps me lying awake at at night, but I can think about his experiences and imagine the anxiety and abandonment that he may have felt. I would guess that he learned maladaptive behaviour at a young age.

All of this makes him a rubbish PM and somebody who should never have been allowed near a position of power, but he is still human.

derxa · 04/02/2022 17:45

@merrymouse

Did you care about BJ losing his mother recently?

Yes. I have thought about that and what sounds like a difficult childhood. I’m not saying it keeps me lying awake at at night, but I can think about his experiences and imagine the anxiety and abandonment that he may have felt. I would guess that he learned maladaptive behaviour at a young age.

All of this makes him a rubbish PM and somebody who should never have been allowed near a position of power, but he is still human.

Agree
Notonthestairs · 04/02/2022 17:46

@people are afraid of death and bereaved people (they think it's catching)"

I completely agree and have experienced a similar withdrawal from close friends. What I've drawn from that is to talk about death more and to do it well beyond normal expected periods of time. Nobody will ever feel exactly the same as I do but I'm not going to hide my grief. Anyway I'm not intending to knock or devalue your experiences - it's hard and lonely however you cut it.

Notonthestairs · 04/02/2022 17:50

Err apologies for "@ people" I'm not having much luck posting today!

WaitinginVain · 04/02/2022 17:50

@pussycatunpickingcrossesagain Newcastle-under-Lyme is nowhere near Bury South.
I do live in a constituency neighbouring Aaron Bell's and wrote to my MP asking him to follow his example the day he made that emotional speech. He's usually laughing along with Boris and needless to say hasn't replied.

derxa · 04/02/2022 17:54

[quote Notonthestairs]@people are afraid of death and bereaved people (they think it's catching)"

I completely agree and have experienced a similar withdrawal from close friends. What I've drawn from that is to talk about death more and to do it well beyond normal expected periods of time. Nobody will ever feel exactly the same as I do but I'm not going to hide my grief. Anyway I'm not intending to knock or devalue your experiences - it's hard and lonely however you cut it. [/quote]
Yes we should talk about death in a more open and healthy way.

Blossomtoes · 04/02/2022 18:10

Probably but do you care about his experience? Genuinely?

Yes, his heartfelt speech in the commons brought tears to my eyes. So glad he’s handed his letter in.

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jgw1 · 04/02/2022 18:11

[quote DuncinToffee]Johnson has sent an email vowing too give MPs a direct line to DS

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/exclusive-boris-johnson-emails-tory-mps-promising-to-listen_uk_61fd43e6e4b09170e9d01acf?[/quote]
Because exactly what we all need is more policy ideas from some of the loons that are Tory MPs.

Can you just imagine Fabricant sitting on a committee designing policies.

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pussycatunpickingcrossesagain · 04/02/2022 18:16

@WaitinginVain Blush I forgot it was Bury South...how embarrassing Blush

borntobequiet · 04/02/2022 18:22

What a brilliant name - Sophia Sleigh (journalist above).

dontcallmelen · 04/02/2022 18:26

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Wheresthebeach · 04/02/2022 18:38

Well I gotta admit to feeling a tad disappointed today. Was hoping for 1922 committee announcement. It’s like watch the titanic in slow motion

Words · 04/02/2022 18:39

Loving seeing a lot of old familiar names on the latter part of previous thread and on this one.

Loving the debate, reminiscent of the old westministenders.

Makes one feel a little less alone amidst this fresh new hell we find ourselves in.

Random thoughts on grief:

It is very like fear ( not an original observation, see CS Lewis's A Grief Observed
It is not linear. Kubler Ross and her stages have a lot to answer for.

thecatfromjapan · 04/02/2022 18:47

Sending a wave hello your way, @words .

merrymouse · 04/02/2022 19:00

Because exactly what we all need is more policy ideas from some of the loons that are Tory MPs.

Can you just imagine Fabricant sitting on a committee designing policies.

This just sounds like more of the same chaos - Johnson randomly agreeing to whatever the last person wanted.