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Nauseating Sunak

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Chippingbird23 · 03/02/2022 20:43

Really ‘I share your pain’! Who is kidding and he knows full well we know how rich they are. His wife is worth 174 million and he is worth a few million himself. This government is disgusting. Slow clap for voting for a bunch of criminals

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ManicPixieNightmareGirl · 04/02/2022 12:47

He’s not a centrist, he’s a neoliberal. Low tax (for the rich), small state (no services for the not rich).

Furlough was not his political or economic style, it was forced on him by circumstance.

Blossomtoes · 04/02/2022 12:50

@Brainwave89

Sunak is rich, so what?. He has a reasonably good plan to do what he can to address fuel poverty, but sadly he is right that there are limits on what he can achieve. Any cash he raises has to come from somewhere and UK tax rates are high enough in my opinion.
He could adopt the Labour windfall tax on energy companies for a start. Did you see Shell’s profits yesterday?
lumpofcomfort · 04/02/2022 12:51

Ok, he comes from a privileged background and he "can't help"that but has he ever made any effort to engage with people who live in poverty to understand how life really is? I know his constituency is pretty affluent.

I work in Robert Halfon's constituency. I disagree with most of his views and would never vote from him. He also comes from a pretty privileged background and went to a fee-paying school. However, I have to admit that he does at least make the effort to try to understand the realities of life for his constituents in a deprived area, engages with local schools etc. He was one of the only Conservative MPs who voted to continue provision for free school meals over the holidays as he understood the need for it.

Rishi just comes across as someone who is giving meaningless platitudes about the lives of people whose situations he will never understand.

DGRossetti · 04/02/2022 12:53

He could adopt the Labour windfall tax on energy companies for a start. Did you see Shell’s profits yesterday?

(very slow, drawn out delivery)

"We won't be doing that."

Ncwinc · 04/02/2022 12:53

Everything else from the noughties is back in fashion so maybe he’s trying to do a Tony Blair.

girafferafferaffe · 04/02/2022 12:54

He has no idea what it's like.

Totalwasteofpaper · 04/02/2022 12:55

We are a high income family will have to fundamentally change what we buy and do / the choices weake.
However... we are in a fortunate position and won't need to sell our home, go hungry or cold or go into debt.
Hundreds of thousands in the UK won't have that luxury

For him to sit there and state he shares our pain is laughable.
I don't see him and his wife having a tough conversation about where they buy the weekly shop going forward because they can't afford to heat the 5 bed town house in Kensington AND the mansion in Yorkshire...
Hmm

DGRossetti · 04/02/2022 12:55

@Ncwinc

Everything else from the noughties is back in fashion so maybe he’s trying to do a Tony Blair.
Which noughties ? The 1800s ? Malnourished barefoot kids with rickets being sent up chimneys ?
DuncinToffee · 04/02/2022 12:58

They could cut the VAT on energy bills that we couldn't do whilst in the EU as promised in 2016....

the80sweregreat · 04/02/2022 13:00

Not all conservatives are 'bad ' , its ridiculous to even think like this , but very rich privileged men telling people who work hard , but can't make ends meet , that they should just get on with it or not ask for a pay rise is just wrong. Or give a ' loan ' that many have actually said they don't want to have , is just bizarre too. I don't have any loans I don't want usually ? Why should I be told to take this one? I know they are trying to help , but a few people I know are not happy about it.
It's all a bit disjointed.

the80sweregreat · 04/02/2022 13:00

They voted against cutting the VAT too!
..

Cheesecakeandwineinasuitcase · 04/02/2022 13:02

How can he feel our pain when he is a multi millionaire and won’t be in the least bit affected personally?

the80sweregreat · 04/02/2022 13:03

@Cheesecakeandwineinasuitcase

How can he feel our pain when he is a multi millionaire and won’t be in the least bit affected personally?
Exactly this
DuncinToffee · 04/02/2022 13:07

@the80sweregreat

They voted against cutting the VAT too! ..
It was a lie to begin with
DarlingPatrick · 04/02/2022 13:08

I am tempted to invite him to spend a week in my 1 bed HA flat with zero insulation and to wake up to a room temp of 9 degrees in the morning. Then worry about every hour of the day the thermostat is turned to 20 which just about takes the chill off the place.

Then he can come shopping and see what it’s like for a pensioner to shop to eat healthily on a small fixed income. He can then look at my bank statement and how ends don’t meet once direct debits for council tax, rent, fuel, broadband, phone and water are taken out. He can try put himself in the position of going without contents insurance in order to pay car insurance. And to really need that car because the buses are absolute crap and are usually late or cancelled completely. He can then try imagine not having had a holiday either in the uk or overseas for 6 years. On top of this he can add in some very painful health conditions for which he can try imagine waiting months and months for every appointment to monitor and treat them. Oh and to cope with the cold and damp in his home with a degenerative joint illness.

We are SO not in this together and he can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like to try find the money for essentials. He hasn’t got a clue. And he’s seems to have caught Priti Patels condescending smirk too.

DuchessOfDodo · 04/02/2022 13:10

@emuloc

Why do we have to accept this £200 rebate (loan)? Will people get a choice if they want it, or not?
At the risk of defending Sunak and the government (heaven forbid!) you won't have to. I'm guessing it's going to come as a credit against your energy bills. You could choose to keep paying the total amount for the energy you use, leaving your account with them always £200 in credit - to be then taken out again year on year in £40 installments.

Essentially, you never actually borrow the money, the energy company has it sat there in the account instead.

Not that I think it is, in any way, an appropriate response for the government to make to a massive hike in energy costs on the same day as a massive hike in energy company profits. But there you go.

the80sweregreat · 04/02/2022 13:13

Let's face it, governments mug us off and the public allow them too.

DuchessOfDodo · 04/02/2022 13:18

Furlough was not his political or economic style, it was forced on him by circumstance.

And in it, I see the origins of what's happening now.

He introduced furlough and gained political approval for it, but so did Boris as a knock-on.

Now that the big dog is down on his knees and Sunak is eyeing up the throne, there is no way he is going to open the cheque book again and risk BJ getting a bounce back. He will do the bare minimum, to increase dissatisfaction with Johnson and increase his own chances of sitting in the big seat. Whether he then does things like cut taxes/cancel the NI rise remains to be seen.

Sod them all for playing games in serious times.

crosstalk · 04/02/2022 13:19

@the80sweregreat

It's not up to any Chancellor to tell the private ccmpanies what to do with the profits from vaccines. As I understand it, Oxford/Zeneca are putting millions into developing medical research facilities.

I agree the current cabinet and PM are tone deaf and stupid. But I have a problem with the self ID trans policies of Greens, Libs, Labour and Scots Nats. So like many I'm a floating voter with no home to vote in.

Blossomtoes · 04/02/2022 13:23

That’s a very interesting take @DuchessOfDodo. I think you’ve got something there.

the80sweregreat · 04/02/2022 13:25

Ok, I didn't know this about the vaccine profits.
Glad to be corrected.

Itsnotdeep · 04/02/2022 13:27

Well his wealth isn't the issue, but his policies suck.

But you know, the electorate will vote for him in their droves once he replaces Johnson. They suckers for a nice suit. (and empty promises).

Tealightsandd · 04/02/2022 13:31

Rishi Twelve Homes Sunak is the richest MP in Parliament. His billionaire wife is richer than the Queen. Somehow I doubt he shares the pain of those struggling to afford to eat or heat.

Some people are able to have empathy. Rishi? Possibly in the future. He's still young and inexperienced (for politics). He could well learn, develop, and grow. He's certainly not ready yet. Cutting £20 a week from the poorest whilst casually writing off billions of furlough fraud?

52andblue · 04/02/2022 13:32

@CMZ2018

Can’t do right for doing wrong can he? What do you want him to say? ‘I am considerably richer than yow’ or should he move into a council house in some shit hole estate and live on pot noodles before you’re happy?
No that would be disingenuous. But so is saying: 'I feel your pain'. If you went to a GP, a Counsellor, a Financial Advisor, and they said that, you'd probably feel patronised. Certainly a poliitician is unwise to say it.

It would be better, imo, to say: 'Look, due to Covid (& Brexit) there's a ruddy great hole in the budget. The Taxpayers will be repaying it for (possibly) a generation (s). Because that's the truth. But Politicians don't tell the truth, usually, & Sunak is no exception.
(the fact he has 12 homes and X billions is not strictly relevant but it does rather stick in the craw too)

DuchessOfDodo · 04/02/2022 13:32

@Blossomtoes

That’s a very interesting take *@DuchessOfDodo*. I think you’ve got something there.
His (Sunak's) responses about Saville:

"I wouldn't have said that" and "it's up to the Prime Minister to decide [about saying sorry]"

speak volumes. He is setting himself out as seperate from the sinking ship that is Johnson. Johnson is out (my guess). It'll take a few more blows to sink the bugger, but I'd be amazed if he makes it in post to the next schedulled General Election. Sunak is now unhitching himself before it happens.

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