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Megan Thee Stallion

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Ispini · 03/02/2022 16:58

OK I’m showing my age but I have just seen some videos of this ‘musician/singer’, I’m completely stunned. How on earth are our kids supposed to have standards when this crap is being peddled as music.

In the olden days Madonna was a rebel, I feel so sorry for our girls as they see these ‘role models’ daily! Dreadful!

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DolphinFC · 03/02/2022 18:32

This is how teenage boys expect your 14 year old daughter to dress and act.

changeling86 · 03/02/2022 18:33

@DolphinFC

This is how teenage boys expect your 14 year old daughter to dress and act.

Then those 14yo boys are dimwits that need telling so.

Does nobody remember Madonna in the 80s and 90s?

DolphinFC · 03/02/2022 18:35

Just to add to my last comment, this is how 14 year old girls think they should dress and act around teenage boys.

theqentity · 03/02/2022 18:36

Why don't we teach our daughters and sons that women can wear what the hell they like and that dressing in fewer clothes doesn't necessarily mean they are gagging to have sex.

Fearnyleaves · 03/02/2022 18:38

@DolphinFC

This is how teenage boys expect your 14 year old daughter to dress and act.
Don't be hysterical!
changeling86 · 03/02/2022 18:44

@DolphinFC

Just to add to my last comment, this is how 14 year old girls think they should dress and act around teenage boys.

All of them?

Again, there have always been different trends/styles. I see plenty of young girls in androgynous fashion like dungarees and DMs. In my town there seems to be a new generation of goth style kids.

In the old days there was different groups into dance/RnB/grunge/metal/rock/pop and dressed accordingly.

This is another sub-genre. Not all girls dress like this. When I was in ripped jeans with blue hair at college there were other girls in short tops with sparkly belly rings aka Christina Aguilera.

It's always been a thing. At least MTS isn't miming and is writing her own lyrics. Personally I think she has actual talent.

changeling86 · 03/02/2022 18:45

(I'm white, I wear scruffy dungarees and listen to folk music btw. I just feel that she's getting unfairly slated here.)

Waxonwaxoff0 · 03/02/2022 18:45

@DolphinFC

This is how teenage boys expect your 14 year old daughter to dress and act.
Not if we're bringing our sons up correctly.
Millionairesshortbreadshort · 03/02/2022 18:51

SummaLuvin

Maybe not everyone in the public eye is obligated to be a 'role model' to your daughters. That's not her job. She is an entertainer/performer/singer, and whether or not MN agree, many people do find her entertaining.

Having just looked up the lyrics I disagree. It is objectifying women and the lyrics suggest she wants to feel pain (or the whore she is singing about does) and wants a beating. It is basically a woman singing about wanting men to treat her with zero respect. It is also pornographic in its language. This is not entertainment. Its porn. The worst kind of porn.

DolphinFC · 03/02/2022 18:52

Yes they are dimwits. Telling somebody there are a dimwit won't change them and these boys are bringing alcohol to the party.

DearlyBeloathed · 03/02/2022 18:55

@1smallhamsterfoot

Oh do fuck off just cos someone’s in the public eye they’re not obligated to be role models for your children
Spot on.
1smallhamsterfoot · 03/02/2022 19:04

@DolphinFC so now this one female rapper is causing boys to get drunk/get girls drunk and try to fuck them? Can you hear yourself

DolphinFC · 03/02/2022 19:09

Waxonwaxoff

Are we though? I feel that many aren't and even when parents are the volume of images boys are dombarded with is distorting their views of girls and sex.

changeling86 · 03/02/2022 19:11

[quote 1smallhamsterfoot]@DolphinFC so now this one female rapper is causing boys to get drunk/get girls drunk and try to fuck them? Can you hear yourself[/quote]

Agreed. Sounds along the lines of she was wearing a short skirt, she must have been asking for it.

DolphinFC · 03/02/2022 19:12

[quote 1smallhamsterfoot]@DolphinFC so now this one female rapper is causing boys to get drunk/get girls drunk and try to fuck them? Can you hear yourself[/quote]
No. Not just one. The totality of images boys are bombarded with is causing a problem with the way boys view girls, sex and relationships.

Megan is just one cog in a machine.

Let me ask you, are things getting better for girls? Are there problems with how boys view and that girls in our schools?

Or am I wrong and all is well in our secondary schools?

foxgoosefinch · 03/02/2022 19:15

Why do intelligent, talented women have to collude in their own objectification? She would have e high clout without doing what she does. Billie Eilish too, another young woman hailed as a feminist icon who sold out to the capitalist objectification machine.

FridayiminlovewithRobertSmith · 03/02/2022 19:18

I had to google the WAP video Blush
I liked it! Not empowering, nor stuff I listen to but what great fun! Soft Porn Hmm

DN is 14 she loves MTS, Cardi B and Doja Cat. She also mainly wears DMs, is hugely sporty, intelligent and woe betide any boy basing his experience of how girls “are supposed to dress or act”on a music video. I’m endlessly impressed at the intelligence, savviness, confidence and articulacy of DN and her friends.

So I won’t join in the moral panic but I am grateful to OP for potentially making me seek out some new tunes!

BorderlineHappy · 03/02/2022 19:18

Why do intelligent, talented women have to collude in their own objectification? She would have e high clout without doing what she does. Billie Eilish too, another young woman hailed as a feminist icon who sold out to the capitalist objectification machine
@foxgoosefinchyou can be a feminist and intelligent,talented and sexy.
They're not mutually exclusive.

Also who do women put other women down just because you don't agree.
That's not being very feminist of you.

harrystylestaylorswift · 03/02/2022 19:27

@Hospedia

I feel so sorry for our girls as they see these ‘role models’ daily

She completed her education before launching her career, she does a lot of charitable work and makes a lot of donations particularly to charities that benefit/support women and/or those in poverty, and her personal mission is to open and fund assisted living facilities in her home town/state (her training was in health administration). Yes she dances in teeny tiny clothes and her lyrics are sexual but so what? Male rappers have been singing about their dicks for decade now, it's about time women felt free to rap about their WAPs if they want to. Her music is clearly labelled as explicit so if you don't want your kids listening to it, well, don't let them.

!!!!!
ChateauxNeufDePoop · 03/02/2022 19:30

Surely every generation find fault with the next generations music for some reason? Styles, lyrics, image?

There's been song lyrics and videos that have pushed boundaries every decade.

Also yes to the role model comments - people get into fields like this because they have a passion for it and want it to be their life, not so your kids know how to dress and speak.

foxgoosefinch · 03/02/2022 19:32

@BorderlineHappy

Why do intelligent, talented women have to collude in their own objectification? She would have e high clout without doing what she does. Billie Eilish too, another young woman hailed as a feminist icon who sold out to the capitalist objectification machine *@foxgoosefinchyou* can be a feminist and intelligent,talented and sexy. They're not mutually exclusive.

Also who do women put other women down just because you don't agree.
That's not being very feminist of you.

Ha! You’re not the arbiter of feminism 🤣I don’t happen to believe in “choice” feminism - many women collude in their own oppression and not every choice a woman makes is feminist.

It’s not feminist to support women unmaking anti feminist choices that damage other women and girls. And parading round being the epitome of what the patriarchy wants isn’t remotely feminist, however you delude yourself that it is.

Feminism has a specific meaning. And it is not “every woman’s choice is feminist.” It’s the liberation of women and girls from the sexist, patriarchal porn images that pop stars collude in because it makes them money.

VladmirsPoutine · 03/02/2022 19:33

She doesn't make music for you. If she was popular on mumsnet then she'd be making a mistake. When will white women learn to leave successful prominent dark skinned black women alone. She is not the first to do this; for some reason and I can't figure it out - seems she, Cardi B, Beyonce are always dragged on this site but Madonna was an angel. I wonder, I can't put my finger on it what separates those women. I just don't know what it might be.

OhWhyNot · 03/02/2022 19:33

Maybe she likes being objectified it earns her enough money. You can be a feminist and enjoy being creative in a sexual way

The WAP video is very tongue in cheek

foxgoosefinch · 03/02/2022 19:33

*in making

Hospedia · 03/02/2022 19:35

this is how 14 year old girls think they should dress and act around teenage boys.

I don't think anyone has told the 14 year olds this where I live, they all seem to wear leggings and hoodies. And 14yr olds trying to persuade each other to have sex is nothing new, that's why everyone should talk to their children in advance about consent, peer pressure, and safe sex.