Megan Thee Stallion

[Ispini]

OK I’m showing my age but I have just seen some videos of this ‘musician/singer’, I’m completely stunned. How on earth are our kids supposed to have standards when this crap is being peddled as music.

In the olden days Madonna was a rebel, I feel so sorry for our girls as they see these ‘role models’ daily! Dreadful!

@Quirkyme

Yeah all those were porn culture too. And so was some of Madonna’s shows and photo output tbh, I’m not keen on her Sex stuff either, but at least she stopped short of singing about her wet pussy - and most of her 80s stuff was actually rather coy and twee (La Isla Bonita, Dear Jessie etc.)

I’m assuming all the posters blathering about “pearl clutching” are all “cool girl” wannabes who are just super OK with porn. Because I can think of no other reason why anyone would be so pleased about women, especially black women who already face enough barriers to success, having to reduce themselves to parodies of tits and ass just in order to have a music career.

But you know, it’s actually OK to not be cool with porn culture or to think it’s super for women. You are grown ups, and grown up women don’t have to pretend to like porn just to look popular and cool.

Agree @foxgoosefinch - particularly with your last two paragraphs.

This is so insulting! Any woman that’s comfortable with porn / rap videos is a “cool girl wannabe”?? That’s so simplistic, HUGELY judgmental and above all, WRONG.

Nevermind rappers and Madonna my underlying worry is programmes like Love Island.
They are hugely influencing kids more.Also youtube,Tik Tok.I think thats more harmful.

At least Madonna,Megan have a talent.Them shows are just women showing their bits to get on the telly.
Thats worse.

@FabriqueBelgique

Then can you explain to me why you are so “comfortable with porn”? Women getting degraded, choked, slapped, in nearly every porn video now? Look at the front page of Pornhub. Why else do you feel comfortable with that? If it’s not to be cool then explain why?

I don’t feel comfortable with the porn culture

porn/erotica is something many adults enjoy throughout history it’s not wrong to enjoy this

It needs to be better regulated

Madonna was trashed by the press but she did also get support from many feminists for being her own woman

I can remember articles of admiration of her ambition and drive

Madonna never ever got a free pass on anything.
In the 90s she was called Grandma,she was 38.They would never do that to Beyonce or anyone else.

Where did I say she got a free pass? I’m asking OP specifically why Madonna is ok but Meghan is not.

Any woman that’s comfortable with porn / rap videos is a “cool girl wannabe”?? That’s so simplistic, HUGELY judgmental and above all, WRONG.

Agree. Humans are more complicated than that. I can listen to something and not agree with the lyrics. I can like some rap and not all, like I can do with porn and many other things. I loved Bridgeton and many romances set back in different times and there is usually nudity and sex but dislike mainstream porn. Does that mean I’m trying to be a “cool girl” or do those type of things don’t count and there’s a spectrum?

This thread was really good until it got hi-jacked and turned into a "white women" bashing.

How?

This was the comment:

White women don't commit acts of racism or use their whiteness to gain advantage over black women?

This is untrue and there is a long historical evidence and facts to back this up. It’s not “white women bashing” to state a fact. It’s history and still happens now. I’m also sure that the poster wasn’t saying all white women.

If it doesn’t pertain to you and you do not do this, no need to feel it is against you .

@DickMabutt73962 i actually have a first class degree in a scientific discipline, and work in that field.

But I suppose that' worthless because I don't understand why a grown woman would want to dance naked and rap about her genitals in front of a young audience.

@OhWhyNot

It seems that particularly white middle class women who have decided what feminism is have a problem with how black women artist perform

Tracy Chapman - Fantastic

Nicki Minaj- heads explode

Of course I’m sure that there are many black women that feel the same but there is no doubt that overtly sexual black women seem to anger a number of white feminists and they are so a little too passionate about it

And Asian and Muslim women are also expected to be a certain way if not they are down trodden and pitied

@OhWhyNot can you tell me where you found your information from regarding "middle class white women's" opinion on the performers? Also who is expecting Asian and Muslim women to be a "certain way"? And what is that way?

[quote Snoozer11]@DickMabutt73962 i actually have a first class degree in a scientific discipline, and work in that field.

But I suppose that' worthless because I don't understand why a grown woman would want to dance naked and rap about her genitals in front of a young audience.[/quote]
Of course you do 

And my remark was more to do with the fact that you concluded that MTS must be catering to teenage girls, despite many women on this thread saying they like her as well. All because you don't like the way she dances.

First class degree my foot

That’s great for you, my 9 y o came home from school today saying that the boys in her class keep touching the girls’ bottoms and pretending to grab their nipples because they think it’s funny and okay to do so. I don’t remember any boys doing that at my primary school. Guess it’s so empowering that WAP culture! Tits and add all round, nothing to see here!

Yes, WAP is entirely to blame for this. No, this type of thing has never happened before in life 🙄

I went to primary school in the 80s and there were reports of children having sex in certain schools. Awful, but nothing new.

MadForBurpees

I think mc white women’s feminism has long been criticised for being closed minded it is in my opinion

And I have been on here long enough to read many threads.

Look at the outrage and the high number of disgusted posts over the term Karen

@DickMabutt73962 so who is she catering for? I don't know any adults who listen to her, and I don't think young lads is the target demographic for female rappers.

I'm not sure why you think my education means I need to be up to speed on the latest music artists and female rappers. Perhaps I'll ask my colleagues - who are also from the same scientific background and professionally qualified whether they enjoy the music of Megan The Stallion. If they've heard of her, that is.

Look at the outrage and the high number of disgusted posts over the term Karen

Every single time a Karen thread appears - it's never to talk about the ways in which white women can weaponise their whiteness and femininity to the detriment of women of colour but more about how it's a sexist, ageist and classist term and actually does more harm than good (vis a vis a certain type of woman).

But I think this is more about the platform iyswim? You aren't going to join a vegan forum and start waxing lyrical about the various types of sandwiches you can make with bacon. It is what it is. It wouldn't be so harmful were it not that many women of colour actually have to experience this on a daily basis. I remember once writing on a thread about a white colleague who was insistent on touching my hair - many responses were along the lines of "she's obviously awed by your amazing hair, take it as a compliment!"

I would like to speak with the wives of all the men who were damaged by growing up listening to the Rolling Stones. Decades of drug-fuelled debauchery and everything in-between. Where are all these men whose lives were utterly ruined by the antics of Mick Jagger?

[quote Snoozer11]@DickMabutt73962 so who is she catering for? I don't know any adults who listen to her, and I don't think young lads is the target demographic for female rappers.

I'm not sure why you think my education means I need to be up to speed on the latest music artists and female rappers. Perhaps I'll ask my colleagues - who are also from the same scientific background and professionally qualified whether they enjoy the music of Megan The Stallion. If they've heard of her, that is.[/quote]
Once again you've misunderstood why I made the 'hope you're not in science comment' which once more makes me doubt your first class degree.

It was simply because you drew a ridiculous conclusion based on your small world experience. You've proven that again by saying that you don't know anyone who listens to her.

Many women on this thread have stated that they do like and listen to her. I am also one of these women.

So again, if you draw a conclusion that MTS is catering to teenage girls because you don't know any women who do, and you don't think that teenage boys/men do, then that is very unscientific 🤷🏽‍♀️

Oh, and the women from your 'field' do not a significant sample size make 🙂

I'm glad this thread came about, I've now added MTS to my playlist!

The way I see it and the way I've heard it explained by powerful women is that it's kind of like they're "taking back" their sexuality. Men have been sexualising women constantly in their music videos and lyrics for profit, so some of these women are basically turning around and saying "why should you be the ones to do this? They're our bodies and we love them so we'll sexualise ourselves" and that somewhat takes away the power of the act. Similar to POC reclaiming the N word. That's just one view that I've seen.

At the end of the day, if you don't like the music/videos then don't listen/watch as you're probably not the target audience.

I'm also so sick of the phrase "this is what young girls will grow up learning is ok" as if young girls couldn't possibly have a mind of their own?! I grew up watching Xtina, Britney and the likes - I was fully aware I could enjoy them and their music without thinking that every single little thing they did in those videos was what I should be doing. For goodness sake, give the youngsters some credit, they can make their own minds up.

It's an adult world and we cant all make every single thing on the planet child friendly so that little Suzy down the road doesnt become a prostitute because she caught a glimpse of MTS.

BorderlineHappy

I'm on about a role model for me, when I was growing up..

That’s great for you, my 9 y o came home from school today saying that the boys in her class keep touching the girls’ bottoms and pretending to grab their nipples because they think it’s funny and okay to do so. I don’t remember any boys doing that at my primary school. Guess it’s so empowering that WAP culture! hmm Tits and add all round, nothing to see here

While it's absolutely horrendous what's happened to your child (is she okay?), you cannot lay the blame on the likes of MTS.

I hope you have kicked off with the school and the parents. I'd be going nuts!

While MTS didn’t create porn culture, the entire point is that by participating in it she also perpetuates it and creates the impression that it’s good for women.

There are literally two different arguments going on in defence of this even just above my post. One is that it’s always existed so it’s not that bad really. The other is that MTS etc. are reclaiming female sexuality and commodifying/sexualising themselves and that gives them some kind of power.

I would argue that no, porn culture has never been quite so bad as now with the widespread availability of actual porn that is much more hardcore and damaging than in previous decades. No, that doesn’t mean titillating sex scenes in Bridgerton; it means hardcore videos of women getting choked, slapped and anally raped being shown to your young kid at breaktime.

And also that thinking you’re taking the power away of being sexualised clearly isn’t the case. Because no matter how much MTS earns, you can bet some white men in the industry somewhere are making more money off her than she’s making off herself. And the effects on other girls and women and the rest of society are corrosive, because for every MTS there are millions of women having to live in the sexualised misogynist society porn culture creates. Men don’t care whether it’s ironic or not.

Any woman who thinks porn isn’t a problem should go take a look at the front page of pornhub and the degrading, racist, violent categories that make up their “content”, and then stand to watch a few of the videos on the front page. Then come back and tell us that women are “empowered” by pretending to own their own sexualisation. (It’s not something you’d want to own, to be honest.)

so who is she catering for? I don't know any adults who listen to her, and I don't think young lads is the target demographic for female rappers.

I never understand comments like these. The world is more than just your particular environment. I know many adults who listen to her music but I don’t assume because of those that do, everyone does.

*I'm also so sick of the phrase "this is what young girls will grow up learning is ok" as if young girls couldn't possibly have a mind of their own?! I grew up watching Xtina, Britney and the likes - I was fully aware I could enjoy them and their music without thinking that every single little thing they did in those videos was what I should be doing. For goodness sake, give the youngsters some credit, they can make their own minds up.

It's an adult world and we cant all make every single thing on the planet child friendly so that little Suzy down the road doesnt become a prostitute because she caught a glimpse of MTS.*

Yes!!! It’s like some parents can’t be bothered to have a conversation with their children and tell them the difference between being an adult and a child and what they shouldn’t and should be doing and why. Everything has to seemingly be sanitised for their little darlings instead of being upfront and truthful and what children should and should not be trying to emulate. It isn’t up to every adult celebrity, entertainer, etc to be a child’s role model. My parents always explained that often what you see is a persona or a part of a person when they are entertaining, that doesn’t mean that is fully who they are nor should you try to be like them. Be your own person.

I always think Megan Thee Stallion sounds like a What Three Words for the middle of Tunbridge Wells High Street

That’s great for you, my 9 y o came home from school today saying that the boys in her class keep touching the girls’ bottoms and pretending to grab their nipples because they think it’s funny and okay to do so. I don’t remember any boys doing that at my primary school
I do and kiss chasing.
And pulling your hair.
It's always been a thing.

Perhaps it's just all down to opinion. I personally find it empowering to watch and listen to MTS and others like her. Others wont at all. What is empowering to one is degrading to another and that's fine. No one I ever watched "tainted" or "influenced" me to act the same as them or think acting like that is what I should have to do, just as when I watched a film with killing/shooting/stealing in I didnt think it was ok to do. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.