Megan Thee Stallion

[Ispini]

OK I’m showing my age but I have just seen some videos of this ‘musician/singer’, I’m completely stunned. How on earth are our kids supposed to have standards when this crap is being peddled as music.

In the olden days Madonna was a rebel, I feel so sorry for our girls as they see these ‘role models’ daily! Dreadful!

@WonderfulYou

Madonna has got various photos showing off her new butt implants.

If you don’t want to watch/listen then that’s fine but men have had women dancing naked/half naked in their videos for years.

It’s about time females felt empowered and sexy on their own.

Sorry but what Madonna is doing is not empowering. She's behaving like a clown and not being authentic AT ALL.

Tbh , although Madonna was an icon, I think she's embarrassing herself with what she's doing frankly.

@Crimeismymiddlename

I don’t know, she is clever and educated. Cardi B is also clever as well as being very savvy. They both have an insane work ethic. Cardi in particular is tough. I can think of worse people for little girls to look up to. Music videos have always objectified women, so really the main issue is that this is the marketing that works. That’s not MTS or Cardi’s fault. People never complain about the gloryfying of violence/murder/drugs or bad behaviour towards women on male artists videos and how they are ‘role models’ for little boys.

Regarding your last sentence - that's not correct. People complain about it ALOT and do not see them as "role models" for boys actually.

@Millionairesshortbreadshort

SummaLuvin

Maybe not everyone in the public eye is obligated to be a 'role model' to your daughters. That's not her job. She is an entertainer/performer/singer, and whether or not MN agree, many people do find her entertaining.

Having just looked up the lyrics I disagree. It is objectifying women and the lyrics suggest she wants to feel pain (or the whore she is singing about does) and wants a beating. It is basically a woman singing about wanting men to treat her with zero respect. It is also pornographic in its language. This is not entertainment. Its porn. The worst kind of porn.

"Having just looked up the lyrics I disagree. It is objectifying women and the lyrics suggest she wants to feel pain (or the whore she is singing about does) and wants a beating. It is basically a woman singing about wanting men to treat her with zero respect. It is also pornographic in its language. This is not entertainment. Its porn. "

I agree with @Millionairesshortbreadshort here. Her lyrics aren't about female pleasure actually.

Again, just another thing that is being used as "female empowerment" when actually it is the opposite, and extremely damaging to women, and really benefits men

@VladmirsPoutine

You forgot Nicki Minaj who's also been mentioned in this thread 😩 but Madonna was a 'rebel'

Yup. Nicki Minaj too! I don't actually think the issue is white men sexualising black women in the slightest. It's white women. Always has been. It's something that really irks me intensely. I mean really it does. We see this type of thing played out again and again and it starts when black girls are very young - it's violence.

Vladimir I see what you're trying to do, and some points you've mentioned on this thread I agree with.

However, as a black woman, your comment about white men not sexualising black women is BS.

[quote bbgxd]@VladmirsPoutine

You and anyone else who thinks this is a black vs white issue is deluded. My African mother is not dancing to WAP. She's got a lot more to say about it than l white middle class women, I'm telling you that. [/quote]
Agree @bbgxd

@WitchyStarLight

I cringe at rappers rapping about their penis.

Kendrick lamar raps his dick is long like the eiffel tower.. I just think how embarrassing rapping about your dick in a studio and then in a concert.

I said already that I like dancing around to her songs, I grew up with lil Kim, and tweet oops - best girl wanking song ever. I still am happy that my 16yr old dd doesn't want to emulate MTS or Cardi B. I used to go to 'yardy dances' in my youth where the dancing was part amazing and part - man humping woman hard and emulating sex. Woman backing her bum up for man to do so. I find it demeaning I suppose. But then I don't agree with stripping and believe prostitution is rape. I don't think being drooled at is a good thing. Not because I'm old and ugly (I'm not either), I just think the way society brings young girls up to be objectified by men shouldn't be something to aspire too. It's not sexual freedom, it's repressing.

Also my views aren't racist in that I think MTS shouldn't do it but Madonna should. I think the hyper sexualisation of black women to get anywhere in the music industry is awful. They have to work twice as hard and still aren't taken seriously. Chris brown and Rihanna spring to mind, if Rhianna was white and had what happened to her done by Chris brown then he'd never be working again.

Sorry but do you actually listen to Kendrick Lamar - I know you reference that particular lyric but he is nothing like other rappers like you are suggesting off of that lyric alone, and he certainly does not spend most of his time rapping about his dick. Far from it.

I was merely making a point about music, lyrics, music videos in general. I just think it’s a shame that young kids are seeing stuff they can’t handle online. I’m starting to work with a group assessing the effects of online sexual/ porn exposure on young kids and the effects on mental health. It all just seems to be the norm that youngsters can access to porn and it’s creating serious mental health and behaviour issues.

I’m curious on how old you are OP because what you’re talking about is not a new phenomenon and older people seem to be wearing some massive rose-coloured glasses when it comes to today’s culture vs the past generations and how much sex children were exposed to with and without their knowledge.

I’m in my 30 and I can tell you that many of us grew up singing sexualised lyrics without knowing what we were singing. Some of those songs were from the 60s, 70s, 80s. Have you ever looked at the lyrics in those times when it comes to most popular music then or the dancing in the 80s?

Madonna was a rebel and part of the reason was because she was singing about sex, dressing provocatively and mimicking sex on stage. Some of the things she is most remembered for:

1. Rolling around on stage in a wedding dress singing “Like a Virgin” and moving suggestively

1. Being in Penthouse and Playboy

1. Engaging in a girl-on-girl kiss with two well-known female pop stars (Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera).

1. Simulating masturbation and sex at her concerts

I enjoy both women’s music but why does Madonna get a pass but Megan Thee Stallion doesn’t? Please explain.

@whumpthereitis

Erm, the Ying Yang Twins?

Funny how it’s always ‘too much’ and ‘going too far’ when it’s women doing it, and particularly when it’s black women doing it.

I agree with you here - the Ying Yang Twins - Wait whisper song is abhorrent...

But I can't deny that the beat was doing it for me when I was younger and it first came out.

It's funny what songs we listen to and sang along too, in our naivety , but as an adult it's like wtf

@C8H10N4O2

This is blatantly just apologism for men, men’s misogyny and sexism, male domination, male violence and the whole history of white male power. We can always avoid confronting the real power if we shout “Karen!” and blame everything on another woman over there, no?

White women don't commit acts of racism or use their whiteness to gain advantage over black women?

Sorry that is the best laugh I've had all week.

Do share your tips on handling misogynoir from white women because plainly Vladmir, I and many other here have much to learn from your expertise. I mean you must be an expert in this to live in a world where it isn't a real and daily problem.

Agree @C8H10N4O2

Vladimir isn't wrong in what he said, and yes WW contribute also, just as you have said.

It's historic.

I teach 18-22 year olds and the women hate it, they hate the crappy porn aesthetic that is everywhere, and they pretty much all have some kind of mental health or body image or self harming issues and far too many of them tell me they have been sexually assaulted and that there is a culture of constant low level sexual harassment in schools and universities from the young men. I feel desperately sorry for them and pretty anxious for my own daughter growing up to navigate a world where the messages she’ll get is that she’s just a bum and a “pussy”. Are we now at the point of blaming women (and black women, no less, who (imo, being one myself) are treated amongst the worst in society), for sexual assaults and rapes?

@CatJumperTwat

The greatest achievement of the patriarchy in modern times is convincing huge swathes of feminists that objectivation, porn, prostitution, and the like are "empowering" and feminist choices. Men must be laughing like drains at us.

LOL I think these men are too busy with their dicks in their hands. They only laugh after they've got what they've needed.

Yeah all those were porn culture too. And so was some of Madonna’s shows and photo output tbh, I’m not keen on her Sex stuff either, but at least she stopped short of singing about her wet pussy - and most of her 80s stuff was actually rather coy and twee (La Isla Bonita, Dear Jessie etc.)

I’m assuming all the posters blathering about “pearl clutching” are all “cool girl” wannabes who are just super OK with porn. Because I can think of no other reason why anyone would be so pleased about women, especially black women who already face enough barriers to success, having to reduce themselves to parodies of tits and ass just in order to have a music career.

But you know, it’s actually OK to not be cool with porn culture or to think it’s super for women. You are grown ups, and grown up women don’t have to pretend to like porn just to look popular and cool.

Agree @foxgoosefinch - particularly with your last two paragraphs.

Wow. This was a read.

Full disclosure: I’m a white woman, but whatever social issues I may face, are not going to be the ones that black women face, and I absolutely agree that as a class, white women absolutely do benefit from racial privilege. A white woman can be praised in society by taking a black style (African braids for example) or ripping off an entire black aesthetic, whereas a black woman is ripped apart. White tears versus the angry black woman stereotype is another example.

It’s not as simple as ‘women versus misogyny’, when race, and indeed class, absolutely intersects. It’s a number of hugely complex issues, but I do think that when black women are expressing their issues with a feminism that centers white middle class women, perhaps the default shouldn’t be defensiveness and shutting them down as ‘so wrong!’, but actually shutting up and listening, no matter how uncomfortable it may be.

I’m assuming all the posters blathering about “pearl clutching” are all “cool girl” wannabes who are just super OK with porn isn't the phrase "cool girl" rather misogynistic? If for no other reason than you're referring to grown women as girls.

isn't the phrase "cool girl" rather misogynistic? If for no other reason than you're referring to grown women as girls.

Maybe. But it's also an apt phrase as it suggests never having matured past the phase of being desperate to look cool and hip and oh so different from the boring old pearl clutchers who recognise the pornification of 'female empowerment' as the sick misogyny that it is.

@VladmirsPoutine

You and anyone else who thinks this is a black vs white issue is deluded.

It's not a 'black' vs 'white' issue. It's a specific form of misogynoir white women are exceptionally skilled at perpetuating. If I had a penny for every time I'd witnessed it IRL and/or online I could probably pay the country's energy bills till 3033. Just look at how this thread has gone. Even the OP states that Madonna was merely a rebel but apparently Megan is ruining the children. That's right Megan is abusing the innocence of children - what an evil black woman. It's always the same schtick and no the 'My mother's best friend's neighbours dentist once walked passed a black man' defence isn't going to cut it. I'm half white - I don't care; white women are the issue.

How many white women? All of them? Thst comment is racist in itself. And here was me thinking racism was all one way.

Hilarious, female “stripper” rap artist’s target demographic are not the likes of MN users or their children. Being a role model to your children is not their job either. Personally I love the evolution of this genre and the success that many black women are having from it.

This thread was really good until it got hi-jacked and turned into a "white women" bashing.

@MadForBurpees What does this part mean?
Thst comment is racist in itself. And here was me thinking racism was all one way.

What do you mean r.e. you thought racism was all one way? I'm just a bit lost here because it seems to me you're suggesting my comments are a form of reverse racism? Reverse racism is about as real as flamingos in Arctic so perhaps I have misunderstood.

@Matpayhelp2022

Hilarious, female “stripper” rap artist’s target demographic are not the likes of MN users or their children. Being a role model to your children is not their job either. Personally I love the evolution of this genre and the success that many black women are having from it.

So when a male sees a video like the ones we talk about here, do you think his first thoughts are " wow that's so empowering for that woman and she's having fun - yipppe" you know like the girls in actual porn films , cuz it's all just so much FUN. I don't know if menn can differentiate between the two but maybe someone can inform me.

@BeckyWithTheGoodHair010101

Isn't WAP really just the 2020's version of 'my neck, my back, lick my pussy and my crack'

Or just the sound of western culture hitting the gutter.

@Matpayhelp2022

Hilarious, female “stripper” rap artist’s target demographic are not the likes of MN users or their children. Being a role model to your children is not their job either. Personally I love the evolution of this genre and the success that many black women are having from it.

Why though? It's degenerate shit. It's not even good songwriting.

@User135644 @MadForBurpees

As I said you are not their target audience, they are hugely successful artists, your contempt for them will not stop them making music

I enjoy both women’s music but why does Madonna get a pass but Megan Thee Stallion doesn’t? Please explain.

@phoenixrosehere Madonna never ever got a free pass on anything.
In the 90s she was called Grandma,she was 38.They would never do that to Beyonce or anyone else.

@Quirkyme shes doing it because of ageism.You only have to look at the male rappers commenting on her photos.They have no right to comment on anything.Same as you if you dont like it,look away.