Do you think this is right ? Mandatory vaccination

[toddymummy]

From mid February if you're over 50 years old in Italy, you need to be vaccinated / or show proof that you have had covid, in order to go to work.

You'll face sanctions if you don't.

Does anyone think this is OK ? And how do you justify that this is OK ?

So essentially, they could end up in a situation where you can't work to feed your family, unless you're vaccinated against covid.

I'm not anti vax at all and have had all my jabs. But I don't feel comfortable about this...

Yes. He have had mandatory vaccinations for many other diseases for decades now. How is covid any different?

I have mandatory vaccines to do my job, many people in many roles do, so I don’t see the problem.

If I faced a choice between not being able to feed my family, or having a jab, anti-vax is not the hill on which I would die

In a world where we all eat processed food, breath polluted air, travel on planes, I can’t wrap my head around the idea that this vaccine is the one time we have to know exactly what goes into our body.

No one can yet explain their opposition to it without mentioning either big pharma/government control conspiracy theories, ‘slippery slope’ bullshit or making it clear they don’t understand basic science

The last person to lecture me on this was also advocating for the use of CBD
They couldn’t even tell me what CBD stands for, let alone what else is in it, but the ‘unknown’ vaccine is evil, apparently

No it is not right and how the hell do you prove you have had covid, when I had it I couldnt get tested as they were only allowing tests for people who had recently been to china.

enough of this authoritarian dictatorship, road accidents cause more deaths in the over 50s are they going to order them all to give up their vehicles and only cross the road with a younger adult.

@VelvetChairGirl

No it is not right and how the hell do you prove you have had covid, when I had it I couldnt get tested as they were only allowing tests for people who had recently been to china.

enough of this authoritarian dictatorship, road accidents cause more deaths in the over 50s are they going to order them all to give up their vehicles and only cross the road with a younger adult.

Uhmm he already have a lot of laws around speed limits, seatbelts, stuff like that. These are the equivalent of the vaccine, not banning cars altogether. Don't be obtuse

@HacerSonarSusPasos

Yes. He have had mandatory vaccinations for many other diseases for decades now. How is covid any different?

There are no mandatory vaccinations in the UK, none its voluntary.

there are only mandatory ones for certain jobs like tetnus if you want to work with animals, and its made clear at application so its still your choice and you are free not to pursue the job, its not blanket mandatory vaccinations and never should be ever.

I don’t agree with mandatory vaccination ( one reason I will not vote for Jacinda Ardern again, second being the trans issue). I feel strongly that it is a starting point for employers getting hold/ accessing medical info. The NZ government even admitted breaking human rights charter in order to mandate vaccines. I don’t agree with anti Vaxxers etc… and am fully vaccinated but it is a choice and should never ever be forced.

My Dad and I recently had a rather heated discussion about the mandatory vaccine issue, he was arguing that it’s selfish not to be vaccinated due to the pressure on the NHS …. I argued the NHS has been systematically underfunded and run down for years and mandatory vaccination is being used as emotional blackmail for a health service that is being deliberately eroded. I believe in vaccines, have been vaccinated and my child had everything available to him, but force people to be vaccinated, no way.

Uhmm he already have a lot of laws around speed limits, seatbelts, stuff like that. These are the equivalent of the vaccine, not banning cars altogether. Don't be obtuse

doesn't stop nearly 2k deaths and 130k injuries a year.

@VelvetChairGirl so? Mandatory vaccination wouldn't stop all deaths and hospitalizations either. It would just reduce them to a minimum.

Just like driving laws do.

Totally agree this is not right. I'm really stunned that people don't fear this level of control over society more.

I'm vaccinated by choice. I believe my health, my choice, nobody else's business.

I don’t think it should be blanket mandatory, as a nurse I believe in consent. In this scenario I believe the option of feeding my children or having the vaccine is blackmail, which I thought in British law was illegal!

However, I do think as a HCP working in the NHS it should be mandatory, as are other vaccines which are fairly new to the table. I have seen with my own eyes the reduction in severe cases following the vaccine roll out, I find it so frustrating watching patients needlessly suffer. We should practice what we preach. I

[quote HacerSonarSusPasos]@VelvetChairGirl so? Mandatory vaccination wouldn't stop all deaths and hospitalizations either. It would just reduce them to a minimum.

Just like driving laws do.[/quote]
its a virus it mutates deal with it, its not going away and people dont want to be pin cushions for experimental vaccines every 3 months.

you could easily reduce cancer to a minimum by demanding organic food and reducing pollution that affects 1 in every 2 people now and cost the NHS a fortune but you wont call for that because you dont want your standard of life affected.

no your just going to try and hand wring over a virus that will be history within the next 2 years because you dont care.

I disagree with mandatory vaccination, wrong on so many levels.

Quite apart from the mandatory vaccine thing, which is a big problem if you believe in body autonomy, this is also age discrimination.
It's a really big issue ethically, even if you're in favour of vaccination.

and by history I mean it will fade into the background as previous pandemics always have

The ones saying there are mandatory vaccinations. Can you point me towards somewhere where it says that officially ? For example, I think all the children's vaccines in the UK are not mandatory - they're just encouraged. Right ?

I think you need certain vaccines to visit certain countries, like the yellow fever one to visit certain countries.

But is there actually a mandatory vaccination mandate in this country for entering or generally for having to go to work ? ( I don't mean health care jobs ) just general work?

I'm not trying to be pedantic. I just really am trying to understand.

No of course not.
Are the frail elderly and CEV of any age, those actually most at risk of Covid being made to have it? If they can decline, and there will be many hundreds of thousands that will, then this rule is nonsense.

No, I think it's completely and obviously wrong on every level.

I think this fuels the anti vax government control theories unfortunately and will lead to more people not taking the vaccine and unrest.

@VelvetChairGirl

No it is not right and how the hell do you prove you have had covid, when I had it I couldnt get tested as they were only allowing tests for people who had recently been to china.

enough of this authoritarian dictatorship, road accidents cause more deaths in the over 50s are they going to order them all to give up their vehicles and only cross the road with a younger adult.

Gonna need a citation on that road accidents thing. Because the last time I looked Covid was still killing more people in that age group per week than die on UK roads in a year.

Madatory vaccination scares me more than Covid.

One word. Consent.

I agree 100% with Flutterflybutterby.

Personally I'm not in favour of mandatory vaccinations in countries like the UK which have a very high take up anyway, given that the effect on transmission is small, so it's not really justified by protecting others. But the French got a lot of benefit from their vaccination passes so I can see the attraction in some countries.