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Do you think this is right ? Mandatory vaccination

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toddymummy · 02/02/2022 07:30

From mid February if you're over 50 years old in Italy, you need to be vaccinated / or show proof that you have had covid, in order to go to work.

You'll face sanctions if you don't.

Does anyone think this is OK ? And how do you justify that this is OK ?

So essentially, they could end up in a situation where you can't work to feed your family, unless you're vaccinated against covid.

I'm not anti vax at all and have had all my jabs. But I don't feel comfortable about this...

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Whatwouldscullydo · 02/02/2022 08:30

I'm with flutter

You either believe in having and maintaining bodily autonomy or you don't.

If you do then you have to accept that people will make decisions you disagree with. That's the trade off.

Be careful what you wish for. Next time it might be you who doesnt want to do something .

Crumbwell · 02/02/2022 08:42

You can’t send your children to school in Italy if they’re not vaccinated, so compulsory vaccines isn’t something new there.

Hospedia · 02/02/2022 09:01

With the covid vaccine, where every recipient is legally speaking a part of a trial

It's in phase 4 trials which are basically post-release monitoring to check it works the same in the general public as it did during mass clinical testing, this also helps them to develop new formulations using that data. All drugs go through phase 4 testing. Have you ever taken a paracetamol? Congratulations, you are part of phase 4 testing for that drug.

It does not mean they are still testing it or that it is experimental. It has been through all of the required tests and safety checks before release.

Whatwouldscullydo · 02/02/2022 09:08

There is still no long tern data fir these specific vaccines with some people taking as many as 4 in a short space of time.

I think that warrants consideration

HacerSonarSusPasos · 02/02/2022 09:11

@Whatwouldscullydo

There is still no long tern data fir these specific vaccines with some people taking as many as 4 in a short space of time.

I think that warrants consideration

Bet if you got Covid and ended up in intensive care you would be more than happy to be subjected to a host of experimental covid treatments and drugs if it was life or death. Or would you hold out until we had more data on those too? They're obviously just as new and experimental as the vaccine.
MotherAbigail · 02/02/2022 09:14

It’s a cruel and terrible precedent. It is widely acknowledged that these vaccines only give a few months protection, from a strain of covid that had been superseded by one that is less dangerous. Our bodies are the only things that truly belong to us and to have control of that taken away for this is just not right.

You might agree with it, or not mind, but we do not have mandatory vaccines for much more dangerous diseases. Why not? And those vaccines last a lifetime.

Whatwouldscullydo · 02/02/2022 09:17

Lots of people decline treatment or surgeries etc on those grounds. Ots called have the right to decide what happens to your body whether drs ir strangers agree or not.

Its their call to make not yours.

TigerLilyTail · 02/02/2022 09:21

I am also against mandatory vaccinations. I know several people who had quite bad reactions to COVID vaccinations and so don't want to go for a second or third vaccination. It's been hard for them to get recognized as this being vaccine-related, so they don't qualify for a medical exemption.

I don't think vaccine mandates are the way forward, even though I can see why some professions require them.

ginnybag · 02/02/2022 09:26

I'm as pro-Vax as they come, and that's crazy.

I'm fine with it being a requirement to enter healthcare fields moving forward - we already mandate certain vaccines and for good reason, so adding this one is no bother. I'm even fine with it being a requirement now to work in close contact with the most vulnerable.

But as a general, applies to everyone, no Vax, no job - absolutely not.

That's a level of state control that should never happen.

MrsSkylerWhite · 02/02/2022 09:27

Wouldn’t bother me but that’s because I’m very happy to be vaccinated.

Hope there are exemptions for people who can’t be.

Benmac · 02/02/2022 09:28

I was very much in favour of mandatory vaccination especially in health and care jobs. Then came Omicron. Despite 3 jabs I caught this. Now the Omicron variant is even more infectious and seems to be infecting everyone jabbed or not.
So on the basis that the vaccines don't stop Covid I think vaccination should be a personal choice.

Jacaranda75 · 02/02/2022 09:28

@VelvetChairGirl we don’t know that. One of the new strains could be 100 x more deadly.

adriftabroad · 02/02/2022 09:33

@Flutterflybutterby

No. With the covid vaccine, where every recipient is legally speaking a part of a trial, and unable to take any kind of legal action in the event of any serious harm or death to themselves or a loved one, it is very immoral. It's basic ethics that anyone who is a part of any kind of trial or experiment - medical, psychological, sociological, anything - they need to be able to give informed consent.

This couldn't be further from informed consent.

But of course, I'll be flamed for saying this.

You won't be flamed by me.

I agree entirely.

caringcarer · 02/02/2022 09:38

I have no problems in with it. The harder the world cracks down on Covid the better.

MorningStarling · 02/02/2022 09:43

It's not a mandatory vaccine though is it, people can opt not to have it. Their rights may be restricted but that's the way of lots of things in life. It's mandatory I take lessons and pass tests before I can fly a plane, but I can opt not to take these lessons and tests and accept the restrictions that prevent me from flying, even though people willing to comply are allowed to.

"Mandatory" vaccines would mean being physically compelled to have them, as in you're held down by force whilst someone injects you.

doublemonkey · 02/02/2022 09:58

As the shots don't actually stop you catching or spreading covid it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Thirtytimesround · 02/02/2022 10:05

Yanbu OP it is worryingly authoritarian.

If we’re all gonna go uber-authoritarian I’d prefer we start with banning alcohol and tobacco, which cost society a fortune and cause a huge amount of harm.

Covid is slowly turning into a mild disease, this isn’t yellow fever, and the rNa vaccines are very new technology with some weird side effects. I’ve had the Pfizer jabs but I think it’s extreme and immoral to make them a requirement of any emplyment.

donquixotedelamancha · 02/02/2022 10:08

enough of this authoritarian dictatorship, road accidents cause more deaths in the over 50s are they going to order them all to give up their vehicles and only cross the road with a younger adult.

What are you on about? Around 1500 people a year die of traffic accidents in the UK. Even now, with death rates reduced, that number are dying in 7-10 days of covid.

On the OP: I don't agree with government being able to force vaccination as in this example, but I'm quite happy with things like vaccine passports to facilitate natural consequences of stupidity.

Anna10309 · 02/02/2022 10:09

@HacerSonarSusPasos

Yes. He have had mandatory vaccinations for many other diseases for decades now. How is covid any different?
Yes this!
HacerSonarSusPasos · 02/02/2022 10:11

@doublemonkey

As the shots don't actually stop you catching or spreading covid it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Good Lord, can we please use out brains and make the distinction between "completely stop" and "significantly reduce"?
ANameChangeAgain · 02/02/2022 10:16

I wouldn't judge Italy for this. Their pictures of the pandemic hitting were horrific. We saw on the news patients dying on hospital floors, reports of life or death decisions based on lack of equipment. I don't personally agree with mandatory vaccines, but I didn't live their experience either.

Sittingonabench · 02/02/2022 10:18

I don’t think it is right. But just to clarify you are talking about Italy (I believe Greece has a similar mandatory jab policy with a fine) where the laws and use of mandatory jabs may well be different. My understanding is that there is more of a precedent for mandated jabs before being allowed to attend schools for example - so the background is not the same as it is here. But as I say from a principles point of view regardless of law I don’t think that is right or the way to go to encourage people to get it.

Parpophone · 02/02/2022 10:19

@Crumbwell

You can’t send your children to school in Italy if they’re not vaccinated, so compulsory vaccines isn’t something new there.
The same is true in France and in Germany.

If your child has not had the usual childhood vaccines then they don't get a school/nursery place.

I guess there are probably some exemptions, but "don't want to" isn't one of them.

NiceShrubbery · 02/02/2022 10:19

Yanbu OP. I live (reluctantly) in Italy and the creeping state control is everywhere, it's ramped up massively since Covid. Electronic ID cards with biometric fingerprinting, online digital identity codes, having to give your tax code any time you pay for a service, random data harvesting by schools, face masks mandatory everywhere. Fines left right and centre. The over-50s thing is just another money-making exercise... I'm just surprised they haven't gone full-on Jacinta and made vax compulsory for the whole population. Perhaps next year.

Meanwhile people can cram on to intercity trains of a weekend with no masks and no checks at all. Crazy.

SartresSoul · 02/02/2022 10:21

I don’t think anyone should ever be forced to have any vaccination but I also agree with companies who have stopped paying the unvaccinated full pay whenever they have to isolate. Unvaccinated people have to isolate a lot more than vaccinated if they follow the rules and I don’t think companies should have to pay out for their individual choice.

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