Page 5 | Do you think this is right ? Mandatory vaccination

VelvetChairGirl · 02/02/2022 15:02

@NiceShrubbery

In theory you can homeschool in Italy, in practice you'll be ostracised and treated like a member of an obscure cult. There is so little ideological freedom here it's not even funny.

if its not illegal then its a choice so being vaccinated to attend school isnt mandatory because school isnt mandatory.

same as you need certain vaccines to work in certain jobs but not all jobs.

Nanny0gg · 02/02/2022 15:06

@toddymummy

From mid February if you're over 50 years old in Italy, you need to be vaccinated / or show proof that you have had covid, in order to go to work.

You'll face sanctions if you don't.

Does anyone think this is OK ? And how do you justify that this is OK ?

So essentially, they could end up in a situation where you can't work to feed your family, unless you're vaccinated against covid.

I'm not anti vax at all and have had all my jabs. But I don't feel comfortable about this...

Can't see why not.

There are other roles which require vaccinations. Wouldn't have a problem with it

Geamhradh · 02/02/2022 15:31

@NiceShrubbery

Yanbu OP. I live (reluctantly) in Italy and the creeping state control is everywhere, it's ramped up massively since Covid. Electronic ID cards with biometric fingerprinting, online digital identity codes, having to give your tax code any time you pay for a service, random data harvesting by schools, face masks mandatory everywhere. Fines left right and centre. The over-50s thing is just another money-making exercise... I'm just surprised they haven't gone full-on Jacinta and made vax compulsory for the whole population. Perhaps next year.

Meanwhile people can cram on to intercity trains of a weekend with no masks and no checks at all. Crazy.

As you know, the showing of your codice fiscale is to finally clamp down on fiscal fraud. The Spid digital ID makes it easy to access your medical records online yourself and carry out numerous other transactions and privacy-related activities that people in the UK would have to jump through hoops to access. (medical records etc) The last time I was on a regionale they checked both green passes and carefully monitored that everyone was wearing their mask correctly, let alone an Intercity or Freccia. What data are school's "harvesting"?

lljkk · 02/02/2022 15:33

It's definitely backfired for me. I sought out flu jab in 2019 but my 1st response would be to avoid it & most jabs in future. Yes as a political protest because of all the Covid controls including the especially coercive vaccine policies. These make me feel anything but "safe".

Geamhradh · 02/02/2022 15:39

@VelvetChairGirl

No it is not right and how the hell do you prove you have had covid, when I had it I couldnt get tested as they were only allowing tests for people who had recently been to china.

enough of this authoritarian dictatorship, road accidents cause more deaths in the over 50s are they going to order them all to give up their vehicles and only cross the road with a younger adult.

Here in Italy all Covid tests are uploaded with their results automatically onto your medical records which you can access easily yourself. There are no accepted home administered tests, so it's very easy to prove you've had Covid and your medical records are automatically linked to your Green Pass iyswim? For example I had to test as I had close contact with a student who tested positive. I went to the pharmacy and my (negative) LFT result was uploaded automatically by the pharmacist. My green pass was then annotated with the requirement for me to go and do a PCR 3 days later. Once the PCR had been done, the annotation "expired" and my GPass was once more validated. The same thing with positive tests. It's all on the health service app that we can all easily acquire.

Geamhradh · 02/02/2022 15:42

@MrsSkylerWhite

Wouldn’t bother me but that’s because I’m very happy to be vaccinated.

Hope there are exemptions for people who can’t be.

Yes, there are exemptions for the tiny tiny percentage of people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons.

GabriellaMontez · 02/02/2022 15:43

A vaccine that carries a mortality rate should never be mandatory.

PAFMO · 02/02/2022 15:46

@GabriellaMontez

A vaccine that carries a mortality rate should never be mandatory.

That's all of them then. Pretty good odds though as 9 people in the UK have died due to the vaccine out of how many million doses? You're more likely to be killed by that mandatory seatbelt.

NiceShrubbery · 02/02/2022 15:55

Geamhradh they've been collecting tax codes for 20+ years, it hasn't got them very far? They just keep finding new and inventive ways to keep tabs on people and now draining their wallets to keep pharmacists happy. Which is fine if you've got non-refundable 15euros to fork out every time they say your child needs testing.

I was surprised about the train thing as well. Last year they were very thorough. This year it's all gone to shit. Last month Dd spent 5 hours packed like a sardine on a regionale, standing up the whole way, with maskless druggies spitting on the floor and being left to it. Not a train official in sight.

Geamhradh · 02/02/2022 16:06

@NiceShrubbery

Geamhradh they've been collecting tax codes for 20+ years, it hasn't got them very far? They just keep finding new and inventive ways to keep tabs on people and now draining their wallets to keep pharmacists happy. Which is fine if you've got non-refundable 15euros to fork out every time they say your child needs testing.

I was surprised about the train thing as well. Last year they were very thorough. This year it's all gone to shit. Last month Dd spent 5 hours packed like a sardine on a regionale, standing up the whole way, with maskless druggies spitting on the floor and being left to it. Not a train official in sight.

So one train? Where are you that tests are costing €15 for children? The dpcm states €8 for children. If sent as a close contact and advised by the school (like in my and my class's case) both the LFT and PCR were free.

orzoisorange · 02/02/2022 16:13

@PAFMO that sounds low, but would it be OK if any of those 9 people had been coerced into taking a mandatory vaccine –threatened with losing their job or their home, acquiescing to the jab, then dying?

And the government disagree with you about that figure –see "Events with a fatal outcome" on this page:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

"The MHRA has received 702 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 1,200 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 33 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 37 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified."

NiceShrubbery · 02/02/2022 16:21

So one train? If it'd happened to you I think you'd be a little less snippy. One train too many afaic. Luckily she tested negative.

Where are you that tests are costing €15 for children? The dpcm states €8 for children.
Central. They clearly just interpret it however they like, wherever they like, as per usual.

I asked the pharmacist why my 16yo only had to pay 8euros and why my primary school dd had to pay 15. "E' cosi'"' was the typically useless answer. Others in the class went to different pharmacies and were told similar. With 3 dc, FFP2 facemasks, mandatory testing and druggies on trains, complying with randomly-enforced covid restrictions has cost me 100 euro, just since Xmas. But hey I'm vaxxed so all good.

Geamhradh · 02/02/2022 16:39

@NiceShrubbery

So one train? If it'd happened to you I think you'd be a little less snippy. One train too many afaic. Luckily she tested negative.

Where are you that tests are costing €15 for children? The dpcm states €8 for children.
Central. They clearly just interpret it however they like, wherever they like, as per usual.

I asked the pharmacist why my 16yo only had to pay 8euros and why my primary school dd had to pay 15. "E' cosi'"' was the typically useless answer. Others in the class went to different pharmacies and were told similar. With 3 dc, FFP2 facemasks, mandatory testing and druggies on trains, complying with randomly-enforced covid restrictions has cost me 100 euro, just since Xmas. But hey I'm vaxxed so all good.

If it happened to my daughter, I'd be incandescent. Obviously. But nor would I use it on a MN thread to infer that it's a widespread occurrence.

GabriellaMontez · 02/02/2022 16:47

The others aren't mandatory.

NiceShrubbery · 02/02/2022 16:48

Overcrowded trains are a widespread occurrence in 2022 as they were in 2020.

It was to illustrate the point that certain industries are making money hand over fist by getting us to buy masks, tests etc but the restrictions aren't being enforced. Limiting train seats lost the train companies €€€€€ last year, now suddenly it's sardine time but the virus is apparently just as deadly. If it's that deadly then uniform restrictions everywhere for everyone, or why should we bother?

StrongSunglasses · 02/02/2022 16:56

Yanbu, I disagree with mandatory vaccination as well. Bodily autonomy and personal choice are important fundamental characteristics of a free society.

Nanny0gg · 02/02/2022 16:59

@GabriellaMontez

The others aren't mandatory.

Hep B is in hospitals for some staff

orzoisorange · 02/02/2022 17:02

@Nanny0gg the Hep B vaccine which has 30 years of safety data behind it.

JuergenSchwarzwald · 02/02/2022 17:04

9 people in the UK have died due to the vaccine out of how many million doses

It was at least 73 from the AZ vaccine alone.

JuergenSchwarzwald · 02/02/2022 17:04

[quote orzoisorange]@Nanny0gg the Hep B vaccine which has 30 years of safety data behind it.[/quote]
in any event people know they have to have the hep B vaccine before they take a healthcare job.

People of 50+ in Italy can't wind back their age.

NiceShrubbery · 02/02/2022 17:15

Indeed they can't Juergen. I'd better stop with the healthy Mediterranean diet, I don't want another 40 years of this shit.

PAFMO · 02/02/2022 17:32

@JuergenSchwarzwald

9 people in the UK have died due to the vaccine out of how many million doses

It was at least 73 from the AZ vaccine alone.

9 have been confirmed in the UK. The others are suspected or possibly connected to the vaccination. It's interesting how the same posters who have been keen to distinguish between "from Covid" or "with Covid" for the past two years are less bothered about "dying from the vaccine" or "after the vaccine".

Those were the latest figures from death certificate data and published by the ONS. Yes, there are probably more by now (the last published figures were late last year) but the "because of" and "after" distinction is, according to the CMO and other bodies, likely to mean that deaths caused directly as a result of the vaccine are very very few.

GabriellaMontez · 03/02/2022 09:52

It doesn't matter if its a small number. Some people die after it. It shouldn't be mandatory. I'm not even starting on the rare but some times severe side effects.

Comparing mandatory vaccination of over 50s to compulsory hep B for some hospital staff is ludicrous.

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/02/2022 09:59

Geamhradh

MrsSkylerWhite
Wouldn’t bother me but that’s because I’m very happy to be vaccinated.

Hope there are exemptions for people who can’t be.

Yes, there are exemptions for the tiny tiny percentage of people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons.”

Good to know. Felt very sorry for the, as you say, tiny minority who can’t throughout. Would be awful, wanting to have vaccine protection but being told you couldn’t. Losing your job too would be adding insult to injury.