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Do you think this is right ? Mandatory vaccination

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toddymummy · 02/02/2022 07:30

From mid February if you're over 50 years old in Italy, you need to be vaccinated / or show proof that you have had covid, in order to go to work.

You'll face sanctions if you don't.

Does anyone think this is OK ? And how do you justify that this is OK ?

So essentially, they could end up in a situation where you can't work to feed your family, unless you're vaccinated against covid.

I'm not anti vax at all and have had all my jabs. But I don't feel comfortable about this...

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VelvetChairGirl · 02/02/2022 11:33

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VelvetChairGirl · 02/02/2022 11:44

[quote AlexissFreeenncch]@NotNowAlan everyone’s immune response is shot. We’ve all been in lockdown for pretty much two years. Both covid and a very nasty cold were rampant at Christmas. I got the nasty cold and still have a bad cough weeks later (and I wasn’t boostered at the time). You unfortunately got both.I also rarely got colds pre covid.

It’s nothing to do with the vaccine.[/quote]
speak for yourself

AlexissFreeenncch · 02/02/2022 11:51

@VelvetChairGirl that link is about temporary authorisation based on safety and efficacy data of the vaccine. What does that have to do with posters thinking those taking the vaccine are in an experimental trial?

What do you mean speak for myself re immune response? If someone has cancer, then gets tje vaccine and booster and is told after getting them their cancer is now in remission - did the vaccine cure their cancer? If someone was suffering from infertility and got fully vaccinated and boosted them got pregnant did the vaccine cause their pregnancy? Or is it negative events after vaccination you believe are due to the vaccine?

AnneElliott · 02/02/2022 11:53

No I don't think it's right for a flat mandation for every job. And isnt that age discrimination to apply it to the over 50s only?

But I do think of you're working with vulnerable people then a mandatory vaccine is fine. Like NHS and social care. As those vulnerable people don't get a choice - why do they matter less than the anti vaxxers?

Echobelly · 02/02/2022 11:55

I don't really support these types of punitive approaches to vaccination, although I totally support vaccination. I don't see it really has any role as a protective measure - as vaccines don't prevent people passing on the virus, non-vaccinated people are mostly placing themselves at risk rather than others by going into busy places. I don't feel safer to know a handful of non vaccinated people may have been kept out of somewhere I'm going.

AlexissFreeenncch · 02/02/2022 11:55

@VelvetChairGirl please disregard my previous post. I see from advanced search you’re an anti vaccine conspiracy theorist (vaccines apparently all about distracting us from government failure). I don’t bother to engage with posters like you anymore.

Chely · 02/02/2022 11:56

Nope. Slippery slope

Aussiegirl123456 · 02/02/2022 12:03

Mandatory vaccination is so wrong.
Nobody of sound mind should be coerced or forced into having a medical procedure or to have medication they don’t agree with. It just opens a door to other potential medical mandates, and even if you agree with the vaccine, there may be a procedure or vaccine in the future you don’t agree with. Sounds far fetched? So did mandatory vaccines for the entire population two years ago.

For people commenting that there are already vaccine mandates for travel or certain professions; yes. But you had a choice prior to choosing that profession or travelling to that destination.

I’m in Australia. Here, at least in the state where I live, many companies have enforced a vaccine mandate for their workers. Anyone who works within a school, all healthcare workouts, hospital staff, shop workers, factory workers have to be double vaccinated. The government are looking at changing that to ensuring workers will be triple vaccinated.

We aren’t allowed to eat in a restaurant unless we’re double vaccinated or attend any leisure venues eg ten pin bowling, cinemas etc. They’re not a necessity, we have the choice to be vaccinated and live a ‘normal’ life or we can choose to remain unvaccinated and not benefit from these social benefits. Choice.
However, people such as cleaners, factory workers and cafe staff have had to choose between keeping their jobs (paying bills and feeding their families) and being vaccinated or losing their jobs if they don’t conform.

We have a high percentage of population double vaccinated (92%) but Covid is still rife. We’ve even had scientists state just this morning that our Covid death toll is likely low due to the natural deterioration of the severity of the Covid strains and that although the vaccine has more than likely significantly helped keep the death toll low, that we can’t attribute the low death toll just to science but also to nature’s natural course of the virus ‘dying out’.

I’m double vaccinated and am very happy that it was my choice. I felt I had enough information to make an informed choice. I don’t feel mandatory vaccination is a good step for humanity.
We are currently being pressured into ensuring our children (age 5-11) get vaccinated ASAP. Just one month ago we were informed that children under 12 do not need to be vaccinated. I understand science continues to develop at a rapid pace, but almost overnight we were suddenly being strongly encouraged to vaccinate our children whereas the day before we were advised not to. Sometimes it all seems a little sinister.

I guess in 5-10 maybe 20 years time we’ll finally discover whether the vaccines have been the best thing for humanity since Cadbury’s cream eggs or if they were a waste of time or a big disaster.

But no, especially while in its trial phase (until end 2023), the vaccines should not be mandatory.

VelvetChairGirl · 02/02/2022 12:09

[quote AlexissFreeenncch]@VelvetChairGirl that link is about temporary authorisation based on safety and efficacy data of the vaccine. What does that have to do with posters thinking those taking the vaccine are in an experimental trial?

What do you mean speak for myself re immune response? If someone has cancer, then gets tje vaccine and booster and is told after getting them their cancer is now in remission - did the vaccine cure their cancer? If someone was suffering from infertility and got fully vaccinated and boosted them got pregnant did the vaccine cause their pregnancy? Or is it negative events after vaccination you believe are due to the vaccine?[/quote]
its not licensed, they are getting 12 month authorization which is monitored and can be redrawn any time they are balancing the reports of side effects with the virus, the more jabs you get the more yellow card reports and we don't know the long term effects, there has been speculation that the blood clots and irregular menstruation maybe due to the mimicked spike protein being too close to the original, be interesting to see in years to come if we get two types of long covid emerging, one from the virus and the other from the vaccine. I expect it will take a very long time to unravel all the data about this pandemic like 10 years+.

I mean speak for yourself about everyone getting more sick since lockdown thats what.

Ibrokemydietlastnight · 02/02/2022 12:13

I’ve had all my vaccinations and I s as m appalled by this. It is an infringement of human rights and I can’t believe anyone thinks it’s ok. It’s the beginning of a slippery slope if we allow governments to set conditions like this - this time, it’s the covid vaccination, what next?

I believe in bodily autonomy, amazing how many people don’t.

FloBot7 · 02/02/2022 12:17

It doesn't sit well with me. It sets a bad precedent for medical consent , it also sets a bad precedent for employers being entitled to ask about medical history. I've happily had the covid vaccine but I might not agree with a government decision in the future so I'd rather not give them the right to mandate vaccines now.

VelvetChairGirl · 02/02/2022 12:20

[quote AlexissFreeenncch]@VelvetChairGirl please disregard my previous post. I see from advanced search you’re an anti vaccine conspiracy theorist (vaccines apparently all about distracting us from government failure). I don’t bother to engage with posters like you anymore.[/quote]
and yet you just did engage.

Nothing conspiracy about reading the documents from the ONS, Gov, BMJ, WHO, the vaccine makers websites, experts in Israel and south korea etc and seeing how much money the Tories have given to their mates for covid contracts.

its all starting to come out.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60176283

if they really cared about the people they would have stopped flights in February 2020, they would have introduced systems like other countries did to try to control it, they wouldn't have bundled thousands of OAP into care homes untested and they wouldnt have slapped DNRs on the vulnerable and those with special needs.

this is about money, thats all they care about, I will not trust the Tories with my health because I have lived on this earth long enough to know it means nothing to them.

FloBot7 · 02/02/2022 12:22

It’s the beginning of a slippery slope if we allow governments to set conditions like this - this time, it’s the covid vaccination, what next?

Forced contraceptives for girls? Forced sterilisation for those who have had too many children? The right for a doctor to refuse elective c sections because vaginal births are cheaper and easier for them? I dread to think what they could do if they are allowed to force consent.

orzoisorange · 02/02/2022 12:51

Why was @Flutterflybutterby's first post deleted, @MNHQ? It wasn't violent, defamatory, abusive or inaccurate. We have no course of redress to the vaccine companies if we suffer a serious adverse reaction –that's the truth.

VelvetChairGirl · 02/02/2022 12:58

why is MNHQ deleting my posts everything I have said is truth and I have included official links, ONS and GOV.UK links are not conspiracy stuff they are government.

look it all up yourself people, all the data is freely available.

orzoisorange · 02/02/2022 13:07

@VelvetChairGirl just wait till that post and mine above it are deleted too 🤔

XenoBitch · 02/02/2022 13:19

It is disgusting, and makes a mockery of informed consent. 'Mandatory' and 'vaccination' should not be in the same sentence.

lonelyapple · 02/02/2022 13:21

No. Of course it's not right. It's disgraceful.

VelvetChairGirl · 02/02/2022 13:45

[quote orzoisorange]@VelvetChairGirl just wait till that post and mine above it are deleted too 🤔[/quote]
hardly helping to debunk conspiracy stuff if they are deleting posts with official government links in them, yes one was to a PDF but much of the government data is things you have to download from their sites rather then read online, and it wasnt a direct DL link to the PDF it was to the Gov site with a whole load of data sets on it in PDF for DLing individual ones.

OperationRinka · 02/02/2022 14:17

The stats were genuine. The problem was the misleading and nonsensical way you posted them in a scattergun way to cloud the issue because you'd been called out for stating utter bollocks as fact.

NiceShrubbery · 02/02/2022 14:49

In theory you can homeschool in Italy, in practice you'll be ostracised and treated like a member of an obscure cult. There is so little ideological freedom here it's not even funny.

VelvetChairGirl · 02/02/2022 14:52

@OperationRinka

The stats were genuine. The problem was the misleading and nonsensical way you posted them in a scattergun way to cloud the issue because you'd been called out for stating utter bollocks as fact.
I have not stated any bollocks I stated facts and links to back up those facts.
NiceShrubbery · 02/02/2022 14:58

I agree with you fwiw VelvetChairGirl. Depressingly predictable when intelligent questioners are dismissed with "you're talking bollocks".

I am a fully-vaxxed coerced Pfizer guinea pig.

VelvetChairGirl · 02/02/2022 15:00

@NiceShrubbery

I agree with you fwiw VelvetChairGirl. Depressingly predictable when intelligent questioners are dismissed with "you're talking bollocks".

I am a fully-vaxxed coerced Pfizer guinea pig.

some people just dont want to know, they like to label everyone and think everything is black and white because it makes things easy.
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