Boris - new low

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Obviously he's running scared from his own side as well and Labour and the excellent contribution from Ian Blackford - no doubt Dennis Skinner would have done the same if still an MP.

However, there was no need for Johnson to stoop to the level of more lies - this time trying smear Kier Starmer with untrue allegations about Jimmy Savile.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975

Was it Rees-Mogg who lied about someone in parliament? And the person stood outside parliament with a megaphone and dared him to come outside and say it so he could sue? Can't really remember who/what it was.

Led By Donkeys should do the same to Johnson about his lies about Starmer's involvement with Savile. I don't think Srarmer would ever do it, he's got too much dignity.

It has had the desired effect - instead of talking about his lies regarding parties, we are getting angry about this. He intends to distract and divert - in fact didn’t he talk about that being a favoured tactic when he was mayor?

Think it's true that Starmer was head of the CPS when it decided not to prosecute Savile?

Ffs. Nobody is disputing that. However, it is not what Johnson said. Johnson said that Starmer (the man, not the organisation he was leading) failed to prosecute Saville. To many (most?) that would be understood to mean that Starmer personally made the decision (today I have had a fair few conversations with people who thought exactly that).

Johnson is cowardly enough to say it in Parliament where there are few repercussions to saying it. He is not brave enough to say it outside Parliament where he could have to defend a slander case. Because he knows it is a lie. So he is both a liar and a coward. And the majority of current Conservative MPs continue to side with him (though a great many members, voters, former MPs and a small number of current MPs have publicly denounced him).

That's why he's off to Ukraine
Political leaders there and in Russia are going to be far to smart to trust a single word Johnson or his government says.

Tomorrow’s PMQ’s should be interesting!

@Parker231

Tomorrow’s PMQ’s should be interesting!

It really won't be. Starmer will whine 'resign' 6 times. Blackford will repeat everything he said (if he's allowed back in).

They won't ask any questions about Ukraine, the economy, jobs or jabs. Just 'did you go to 25 parties prime minister it's a simple question'.

@FacebookPhotos

Think it's true that Starmer was head of the CPS when it decided not to prosecute Savile?

Ffs. Nobody is disputing that. However, it is not what Johnson said. Johnson said that Starmer (the man, not the organisation he was leading) failed to prosecute Saville. To many (most?) that would be understood to mean that Starmer personally made the decision (today I have had a fair few conversations with people who thought exactly that).

Johnson is cowardly enough to say it in Parliament where there are few repercussions to saying it. He is not brave enough to say it outside Parliament where he could have to defend a slander case. Because he knows it is a lie. So he is both a liar and a coward. And the majority of current Conservative MPs continue to side with him (though a great many members, voters, former MPs and a small number of current MPs have publicly denounced him).

Well, you're wrong that no-one is disputing that because someone on this thread has done precisely that. Some people may well have drawn an incorrect inference. But it's not unreasonable in political discourse to hold an organisation's Head accountable for the failures of that organisation. I thought it was pathetic that Johnson tried to sidestep criticisms by raising this, but what he said was not a lie. Oh and 'ffs' to show how superior I am to your ignorant and primitive reply. Is that how it works in your mind?

They won't ask any questions about Ukraine, the economy, jobs or jabs. Just 'did you go to 25 parties prime minister it's a simple question'.

I hope they'll ask about the billions of pounds of fraud the government has written off and the billions more wasted on useless PPE from their cronies.

The fact that there have been reports today that he had been wanted by others not to say it makes it even worse - it wasn't a thoughtless quip, but premeditated and scripted. He's beneath contempt

*warned not wanted

@Kendodd

They won't ask any questions about Ukraine, the economy, jobs or jabs. Just 'did you go to 25 parties prime minister it's a simple question'.

I hope they'll ask about the billions of pounds of fraud the government has written off and the billions more wasted on useless PPE from their cronies.

Yes 8.8 billion pounds. Or how about asking about the huge fuel poverty crisis, out of control inflation, massive delays at borders for import/export or the myriad of other collapses under their watch.

@WitchWithoutChips

It is really fucked up that parliamentary privilege enables Johnson to slander Starmer but that anyone who points out his lies is ‘unparliamentary’ in their behaviour and told to leave the chamber.

Yes it is totally batshit that Ian Blackford had to leave the chamber for telling the truth about a serial liar.

They won't ask any questions about Ukraine, the economy, jobs or jabs. Just 'did you go to 25 parties prime minister it's a simple question'.
If Boris stopped lying about the parties maybe we could get on to questions about Ukraine, Russian money laundering in the UK, etc, but since he won't tell the truth the questions are going to be asked until he stops lying.

Johnson is going to lose the many decent Tories who are out there. It may well play with some people but this approach will lose him support with many Tories.

*Journalists were taken to trial

Saville was not.*

How do you prosecute a rapist when there is insufficient evidence, partly because a) many victims could not or would not report it at the time and b) those who did may not have been willing to testify in court?

Do tell.

Lawyers who should know.

@StarbucksSmarterSister & social workers didn't protect girls in care or at risk & didn't listen to them & police didn't interview or take the cases seriously. Having seen some videos shown yesterday on misogynistic comment & attitudes of some police - you can't help but connect the dots. Basically they probably didn't provide/put forward enough evidence for CP to take forward, maybe?
As I said on another thread - my worry is what Boris might do or say in Ukraine & how dangerous it might be financially, security wise, energy wise & whether his ambitions to maintain his position he may try to take on the role of Churchill (ww2) or Maggie in the Falklands. AKAplay the hero war leader

Just dropping in to remind the Bozbots on here that the behaviour of your revered Prime Minister reduced the ex-leader of the Scottish Tories to tears. I suspect she's not a Corbyn supporter. I remind you further that no Boz supporters from the Cabinet have dared repeat the Starmer LIBEL outside the protection of the House of Commons where parliamentary privilege does not apply. Because they all know it to be untrue. Brave Sir Boris. An international figure of fun.

they probably didn't provide/put forward enough evidence for CP to take forward, maybe

Exactly. The police were criticised for not telling victims they weren't alone. Who would testify if they thought it was just their word against a major celebrity?

And I agree, Johnson is desperate for a Falklands moment.

Well, you're wrong that no-one is disputing that because someone on this thread has done precisely that. Some people may well have drawn an incorrect inference. But it's not unreasonable in political discourse to hold an organisation's Head accountable for the failures of that organisation. I thought it was pathetic that Johnson tried to sidestep criticisms by raising this, but what he said was not a lie

Starmer held a QC led inquiry many years ago, apologised at the time, so its done and dusted.
Why not hold BJ to account for the highest number of CV deaths in Europe? failing to protect children from drug and sex abuse? failing to get the Met's house in order? even extending Dicks contract! failing to stop £13 billion in fraud and waste? failing to increase the rape conviction rates?

Nope, lets distract onto something that happened over a decade ago & isn't even true.

@StarbucksSmarterSister

they probably didn't provide/put forward enough evidence for CP to take forward, maybe

Exactly. The police were criticised for not telling victims they weren't alone. Who would testify if they thought it was just their word against a major celebrity?

And I agree, Johnson is desperate for a Falklands moment.

Fortunately for us, the UK no longer possesses the military capability for a "falklands moment", not least due to Tory defence spending cuts.

@StarbucksSmarterSister

they probably didn't provide/put forward enough evidence for CP to take forward, maybe

Exactly. The police were criticised for not telling victims they weren't alone. Who would testify if they thought it was just their word against a major celebrity?

And I agree, Johnson is desperate for a Falklands moment.

Savile was very clearly in league with the Police at a quite senior level.

We should take a look at our institutions as a whole - we like to pretend we are decent not corrupt etc in the UK, but it's become increasingly apparent in my lifetime that we are very very corrupt in some important areas

The comment Johnson made me gasp when he said it. It has unravelled a whole heap of shit in me. My childhood sexual abuse (and that of my two fellow victims I know of) was not prosecuted by the CPS due to lack of evidence. I didn't think the PM of my country could 'trigger' (hate that word) awful traumatic flashbacks twice but he has. The 'spaff money up the wall' comment and this shows he isn't careful or bothered about saying things that will be thrust into the public discourse that are potentially horrendous for victims to deal with. I don't like thinking about my past but I do like politics now I feel like I shouldn't or can't watch the news and PMQ's.

Starmer can't claim that the PM is responsible for the actions of staff at No. 10 whilst simultaneously arguing that he wasn't responsible for the actions of the CPS whilst in charge of it.

Either the buck stops with the man at the top or it doesn't.

In any case, Starmer has repeatedly tried to tie in Johnson's "partying" with images of grieving relatives, suggesting Johnson was partying whilst others were mourning, implying he was laughing at them. Johnson trying to link Starmer with the decision to allow Savile to escape prosecution, indeed Starmer's actions leading Savile to commit further offences, well that's just Johnson using the same tactics.

liars gonna lie