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Boris Downfall Part 5

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Rinoachicken · 31/01/2022 16:34

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LakieLady · 03/02/2022 20:51

@DuncinToffee

I like Angela Rayner, MN would explode if she became PM Grin
The Mail and Telegraph would spontaneously combust if Rayner became leader.

Which would be a positive thing, imo.

Peregrina · 03/02/2022 20:53

I can believe that the Savile reference came from Rees-Mogg. Don't forget Savile was born a century or so after him. The Rees-Mogg we see now is a zombie.

Vanellopee · 03/02/2022 21:04

So I know I’m not adding much new. Just want to rant.

I’ve never voted conservative, as I simply don’t agree with fiscal conservatism.

However, I’ve been willing to entertain the notion that many conservative politicians are doing what they think is best for the country and it’s people.

That largely changed when Johnson became leader, and particularly when more traditional conservatives were purged from the front benches over Brexit.

The current lot couldn’t be more untrustworthy, incompetent and just downright appalling.

I’d take any previous Conservative leader back in a heartbeat.

I normally find the monicker ‘Tory Scum’ to be juvenile and unhelpful....but how else can you describe the current government. Absolute scum, every single one of them.

Tealightsandd · 03/02/2022 21:09

With Labour it's got to be someone that appeals to all potential voters. Rayner, I'm not so sure. Maybe if (like I suggested for Sunak) she takes the time to learn, develop, and grow, for a future time.

People are turned off by militant tendencies. See Jeremy Corbyn.

As for Brexit. I personally would benefit from being in the EU (easier to move abroad) but it's unhelpful to dismiss any and all concerns. Like most things in life there were pros and cons.

One of the reasons why we're having a right wing Brexit is because the Labour Party refused to accept the democratic vote.

We didn't/don't have to have a right wing Brexit. There was Labour Leave.

Labour's best bet is to get behind Starmer. At least give him a fair go (which he hasn't had). He does need to make some changes including distancing himself from Blair, quit stoking regional division, and remember disabled people.

But if he and his Party are willing to work on some of their issues there's a reasonable chance.

Otherwise they too will destroy themselves in their own game of thrones.

jgw1 · 03/02/2022 21:11

@Tealightsandd

With Labour it's got to be someone that appeals to all potential voters. Rayner, I'm not so sure. Maybe if (like I suggested for Sunak) she takes the time to learn, develop, and grow, for a future time.

People are turned off by militant tendencies. See Jeremy Corbyn.

As for Brexit. I personally would benefit from being in the EU (easier to move abroad) but it's unhelpful to dismiss any and all concerns. Like most things in life there were pros and cons.

One of the reasons why we're having a right wing Brexit is because the Labour Party refused to accept the democratic vote.

We didn't/don't have to have a right wing Brexit. There was Labour Leave.

Labour's best bet is to get behind Starmer. At least give him a fair go (which he hasn't had). He does need to make some changes including distancing himself from Blair, quit stoking regional division, and remember disabled people.

But if he and his Party are willing to work on some of their issues there's a reasonable chance.

Otherwise they too will destroy themselves in their own game of thrones.

On Brexit I think the best strategy would be to accept that we have left the EU, we are not going back in, but that we will engage constructively with the EU and explore areas of mutual interest.

Rather than constantly making it a fight with them.

Tealightsandd · 03/02/2022 21:16

The Mail and Telegraph would spontaneously combust if Rayner became leader.

Together with The Sun, they have the largest readership in the UK. A Labour leader (that wants to win) can't be too unappealing for those readers.

Now I'm definitely not suggesting another snake oil salesman like Blair. The last thing we all need. Honesty and integrity would be good (so not Blair mark II). But it does have to be someone who doesn't come across to some as perhaps a little too militant.

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2022 21:17

Christ, what I’d give to have Blair back again.

Peregrina · 03/02/2022 21:17

One of the reasons why we're having a right wing Brexit is because the Labour Party refused to accept the democratic vote.

I can't agree there. Corbyn himself sat on the fence so long his arse was full of splinters. We got the hard Brexit because the ERG were pulling the strings. Now they have got their hard Brexit, it's still wrong.

Scianel · 03/02/2022 21:19

Christ, what I’d give to have Blair back again

Leaving aside the war criminal stuff presumably.

HalfwomanHalfcookie · 03/02/2022 21:20

Angela Rayner was widely criticised for using the term 'Tory scum'. How bloody right she was!

Tealightsandd · 03/02/2022 21:20

@Blossomtoes

Christ, what I’d give to have Blair back again.
Shock Not before bed, please. I'm going to have nightmares!

We definitely do NOT need another Blair. A man who waged war both at home (his war on the disabled) and abroad.

Blair's toxic legacy is one of the reasons why we're in the state we are today - both society and politics.

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2022 21:25

@Scianel

Christ, what I’d give to have Blair back again

Leaving aside the war criminal stuff presumably.

If I’m totally honest, I don’t give a stuff about that, particularly given that the majority of the British population was behind him at the time. He presided over a decade of stability and prosperity with investment in the services that really matter to people.
Scianel · 03/02/2022 21:28

Yes only hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and a whole region destabilised and almost two decades of terrorism. No biggie, was all good here.

And anyone that supported it at the time was either wilfully blind or an idiot.

jgw1 · 03/02/2022 21:29

@Scianel

Yes only hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and a whole region destabilised and almost two decades of terrorism. No biggie, was all good here.

And anyone that supported it at the time was either wilfully blind or an idiot.

And yet he was still so much better than Boris or any of the candidates to replace Boris.
Blossomtoes · 03/02/2022 21:31

That would be in excess of half the population. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/06/03/remembering-iraq

Scianel · 03/02/2022 21:32

Boris is awful in many ways but he doesn't have the blood on his hands that Blair does.

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2022 21:32

Chaos with Milliband....

Scianel · 03/02/2022 21:32

That would be in excess of half the population. Hindsight is a wonderful thing

Yes. Shame on them. The lies were so transparent as well.

Alexandra2001 · 03/02/2022 21:33

@Scianel

Yes only hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and a whole region destabilised and almost two decades of terrorism. No biggie, was all good here.

And anyone that supported it at the time was either wilfully blind or an idiot.

The UK contribution to the war was small in comparison to the USA's The deaths and destabilisation would have happened anyway.

That doesn't excuse Blair for one moment but painting it as Blairs war is incorrect.

Hindsight is also a wonderful thing, though at the time i was against it as the no fly zones were keeping Saddam under control, with minimal casualties.

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2022 21:34

@Scianel

Boris is awful in many ways but he doesn't have the blood on his hands that Blair does.
Really? 155,000 covid deaths? Covid positive people moved into care homes without testing? Looks like a lot of blood from where I’m sitting.
Scianel · 03/02/2022 21:36

Alexandra2001 I don't disagree but I was a UK voter not a US one so that was the politician who was using my tax money for his misadventure, rather than Bush.

Scianel · 03/02/2022 21:37

Blossomtoes not a relevant comparison at all.

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2022 21:39

It’s pretty relevant as far as I’m concerned.

Scianel · 03/02/2022 21:40

No you really can't compare the last two years to a country destabilised by actual warfare.

Scianel · 03/02/2022 21:41

Anyway apologies for derail but seriously, I know Johnson is a shit but the Blair love-in is grotesque.