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Boris Downfall Part 5

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Rinoachicken · 31/01/2022 16:34

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Blossomtoes · 02/02/2022 18:20

The trouble with the levelling up initiative @the80sweregreat, is that there isn’t enough money to make a difference. Added to which, the Tories are losing blue wall seats too. N Shropshire had been Tory for 200 years and they had a 22,000 majority - and there it is, gone.

I actually disagree about Starmer and the worse Johnson gets, the better Starmer looks. He’s got a decent front bench now.

Oppositions don’t win elections, governments lose them and the Tories are committing electoral suicide right now.

cakeorwine · 02/02/2022 18:20

The next election , that all hinges on the 'red wall ' now blue wall voters and how they feel

However - there are a lot of Conservative seats in the South that are vulnerable - I think that a focus on the Red Wall and the current tactics of Johnson is going to impact on the Conservatives in seats they are not paying attention to.

jgw1 · 02/02/2022 18:22

'Those on here. Who do you want to replace Boris? Twelve Homes? Patel? Raab?'

The only candidate at present is Tom Tugenhat, so he has to be the answer.

jgw1 · 02/02/2022 18:23

@Tealightsandd

My jury's still out on Keir. I think it's not hopeless. He still has potential - but, and big but, he does need to make a few tweaks and changes to policy and direction (including moving away from Blair's war on the disabled).

Perhaps he won't but it's not impossible. Although - he does need his party to get behind him and support what he does.

We shall see.

His front bench team are increasingly convincingly a government in waiting. When one hears them speak they are sensible and measured and seem to know their briefs.
mynamesnotMa · 02/02/2022 18:29

Something tells me he won't die on his sword. The man's brazen as hell. He has alot of fans still.

DuncinToffee · 02/02/2022 18:32

I like Angela Rayner, MN would explode if she became PM Grin

Peregrina · 02/02/2022 18:33

N Shropshire's gain by the LDs did take a lot of effort, which they won't have available come a GE. But there should be a nice raft of seats in the S East where just a little effort should get the Tory out.

jgw1 · 02/02/2022 18:38

@Peregrina

N Shropshire's gain by the LDs did take a lot of effort, which they won't have available come a GE. But there should be a nice raft of seats in the S East where just a little effort should get the Tory out.
Johnson, Dorres and Fabricant are working hard every day to make it easier for them.
dontcallmelen · 02/02/2022 18:46

@Tealightsandd

I would welcome a Scandi Nordic society - of higher tax...for better well-funded public services including the healthcare system.

The way forward is to tackle the public health housing and homelessness emergency. People would more easily afford to pay tax - and spend on the economy - if they had genuinely affordable housing. To rent, as well as to buy.

It would also free up a significant amount of tax money to be spent elsewhere - including the NHS and social care (although also there would be less demand on funds with the physically and mentally healthier population that affordable stable housing brings).

I dream of this also, unfortunately that ship has probably sailed after years of Tory rule plus such a right wing heavy press it makes my heart ache that so much of the electorate have bought into only the deserving poor should benefit from any help & that if you only worked that bit harder you can achieve great things, so much is wrong with this countries attitude a previous poster was spot on about the wickedness of the war on the disabled. I dunno It’s all so very depressing, even if Johnson goes just looking at that front bench makes me feel ill such a bunch of talentless morally bankrupt self serving ejjits. I would love to know the true figure of all the stealth taxes that have been introduced.
AdamRyan · 02/02/2022 18:52

Those on here. Who do you want to replace Boris? Twelve Homes? Patel? Raab?
I would literally have anyone from the Conservative party rather than Johnson. He is damaging democracy and our countries national interest with his behaviour. I don't think "but, but he's all we've got" is the right answer

The electorate will eventually have their say, I don't vote Conservative usually so unlikely to matter to me who they pick as leader. But I suspect it will be important to the red wall/swing voters. They'll go where the leadership they want is and I trust that most people want integrity and leading by example.
I don't think many people who lost loved ones with no funeral, while the conservatives partied, will stomach voting for Johnson

the80sweregreat · 02/02/2022 18:56

I like Angela Raynor too , but her outburst last year ( which she apologized for ) didn't win many people over and she is very divisive.
An MP ( don't know her name ) on radio five live this morning with Nicky Campbell was adamant that the good people of Grimsby like Johnson a lot and suspicious of Labour , or why Starmer was up there last Friday.
They will keep on about the new money coming their way and win people over I'm sure.
I hope they don't have 12 homes as the new leader , he doesn't understand anything about normal people struggle to live. Even less so than BJ

Blossomtoes · 02/02/2022 18:59

They will keep on about the new money coming their way and win people over I'm sure.

There is very little new money. They exhausted the magic money forest on payments to their pals.

the80sweregreat · 02/02/2022 19:00

No, I agree it's smoke and mirrors the Tory way ( promising jam tomorrow) but people will fall for it , they are very clever.

DePfeffoff · 02/02/2022 19:03

It's interesting that the squirrels are currently concentrating their efforts on the Savile thread. Anyone would think Central Office had given them instructions to do so because it's so useful in distracting attention both from the parties and from the massive amounts of money they've thrown away.

jgw1 · 02/02/2022 19:04

@Blossomtoes

They will keep on about the new money coming their way and win people over I'm sure.

There is very little new money. They exhausted the magic money forest on payments to their pals.

The people of North Shropshire were promised millions to dig out a stretch of old canal, as part of levelling up. Didn't seem to win them over because they wanted money for local buses, to have a GP they could see and so on.

Does the levelling up money come with a nice sign and flag like the EU regional funding did? I suspect it will have a similar impact.

jgw1 · 02/02/2022 19:04

@DePfeffoff

It's interesting that the squirrels are currently concentrating their efforts on the Savile thread. Anyone would think Central Office had given them instructions to do so because it's so useful in distracting attention both from the parties and from the massive amounts of money they've thrown away.
Do they have no dignity?
itsgettingweird · 02/02/2022 19:05

@Tealightsandd

Those on here. Who do you want to replace Boris? Twelve Homes? Patel? Raab?

Perhaps Gove? I guess he has the working class background credentials (to appeal to those who aren't happy with the Eton crowd)

I liked Rory Stewart and current like Penny Mourdant
the80sweregreat · 02/02/2022 19:18

Rory Stewart can't go for it because he isn't an MP. I was pulled up on another thread for mentioning him.
I like him.

Tealightsandd · 02/02/2022 19:22

If Rory wanted it (and he had enough Party support), a safe seat could be found for him. Maybe when somebody resigns...

dontcallmelen · 02/02/2022 19:23

Rory Stewart is no longer an MP, Penny Mourdant is a lightweight that the politest thing I can say about her.

Blossomtoes · 02/02/2022 19:24

I think the ship’s sailed as far as Rory Stewart’s concerned. I don’t imagine for one moment he’d want it.

DuncinToffee · 02/02/2022 19:26

The Conservatives missed their chance with Rory Stewart in 2019

derxa · 02/02/2022 19:30

loved ones I hope this phrase will disappear from every day and journalistic discourse very soon.

Tealightsandd · 02/02/2022 19:30

'Levelling up' is about the vampire moving on from London - having exhausted his source there.

He's looking for new opportunities - to make money out of his 'investments' aka pushing the house prices up. Manchester, in particular, is beginning to see the effects of the 'northern powerhouse investment'.

London is the epicentre of the public health housing and homelessness emergency. Two thirds of all of England's homeless families are in London.

There's not much more deprived than being without a secure affordable home. If there was truly a levelling up agenda, London would be top of the list.

Tealightsandd · 02/02/2022 19:34

citymonitor.ai/government/why-aren-t-working-class-people-living-cities-also-left-behind-4694

Good article here from Omar Khan on the as he says, lazy and reductive “London is cosmopolitan elite” narrative

Like he says,

Even 72 people dying in the Grenfell Tower tragedy, a preventable fire which happened within sight of Parliament, hasn’t dislodged the dominant narrative of London as a leafy cosmopolitan elite bubble.