Boris Downfall Part 5

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[quote Blossomtoes]If this isn’t a wake up, what will be?
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A bit to early to crack open the champagne but tempting 😆

A certain three posters are v quiet today. Maybe they are on a training course.

@jgw1 That was the gist of a fair chunk of Kier Starmer's bit of PMQ; taxes going up for working people.

He's quite right.

I think a big election issue is where's the cut off between the lower income who are unquestionably finding it tougher and the squeezed middle who are also facing inflationary pressures but will be scared of voting for Labour if they think they will then be taxed more.

ClaudineClare A certain three posters are v quiet today. Maybe they are on a training course

I think I might miss them. Its fun to find out what the latest wheeze of an excuse is. Or as the BBC would say- we need balance.

I think at least one of our friends is on a different thread defending Boris and Savile. I feel we might be old news. Sad face.

Well, well well. It looks as though Keir's beer was not in fact Keir's or even beer...

Peter (@deGourlay) Tweeted:
🧵 Breaking: Sky News @BethRigby has revealed she has two sources who have confirmed it was not Sir @Keir_Starmer partying at Durham Miners Club. "The man was of similar appearance, but it was
definitely not Sir Keir" t.co/vdFubIYOVA twitter.com/deGourlay/status/1488881349801000973?s=20&t=IURBO5ctEze67wpqVt6s0w

Although why did he seem to admit it was him at one point? Was he trying to protect whoever it really was?

He should set up his own micro brewery.

Keir's Beers. 🍺

[quote Blossomtoes]If this isn’t a wake up, what will be?
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This is why we need Boris to stay as PM for as long as possible and then at the next GE keep asking if the candidates in our local area went on the record to condemn the parties and Jimmy Saville comment.

@CSWife

*@jgw1* That was the gist of a fair chunk of Kier Starmer's bit of PMQ; taxes going up for working people.

He's quite right.

I think a big election issue is where's the cut off between the lower income who are unquestionably finding it tougher and the squeezed middle who are also facing inflationary pressures but will be scared of voting for Labour if they think they will then be taxed more.

Well let's just hope he doesn't do a Blair and turn on some of society's most vulnerable.

Blair's war on the disabled was a terrible thing, that has had long reaching devastating consequences for those too ill or disabled to work. They are not 'working people' through no fault of their own.

The group (of people too disabled to work) will of course be increasing at the moment due to Long Covid.

@Florianus

This CS thing is getting ridiculous

Certain people who post here dislike the fact that civil servants are mentioned, because they want to blame Johnson for everything - some would even have us believe that the "government" were at these parties when it is obvious that they were primarily for No.10 staff

For me it's the fact that in the garden that's technically the PM garden. So he could and should have cleared them out and didn't. He's admitted to this himself. And that is why I think he's a weak leader.

@CSWife

*@jgw1* That was the gist of a fair chunk of Kier Starmer's bit of PMQ; taxes going up for working people.

He's quite right.

I think a big election issue is where's the cut off between the lower income who are unquestionably finding it tougher and the squeezed middle who are also facing inflationary pressures but will be scared of voting for Labour if they think they will then be taxed more.

Ah, thanks, I missed PMQs. It is not a difficult argument to make.

As to where the line is, the squeezed middle clearly includes those on incomes similar to that of a Prime Minister since on that salary is not possible to pay to redecorate a flat oneself.

@UnconditionalSurrender

ClaudineClare A certain three posters are v quiet today. Maybe they are on a training course

I think I might miss them. Its fun to find out what the latest wheeze of an excuse is. Or as the BBC would say- we need balance.

I miss Fabricant and his hair pieces utterances, why haven't we had any this week?

Well let's just hope he doesn't do a Blair and turn on some of society's most vulnerable.

Well isn't it excellent that in the 15 years since Blair was Prime Minister those policies have been reversed....

I would welcome a Scandi Nordic society - of higher tax...for better well-funded public services including the healthcare system.

The way forward is to tackle the public health housing and homelessness emergency. People would more easily afford to pay tax - and spend on the economy - if they had genuinely affordable housing. To rent, as well as to buy.

It would also free up a significant amount of tax money to be spent elsewhere - including the NHS and social care (although also there would be less demand on funds with the physically and mentally healthier population that affordable stable housing brings).

There is only so much an employer, particularly smaller businesses, can afford to increase wages by without going bust - but also higher wages still aren't keeping up with the out of control housing market.

Additionally, raising wages doesn't help those too disabled to work, to access decent affordable housing.

We need to do two things:

a) slightly loosen mortgage affordability criteria. For growing numbers of people (more than 40%) the problem is not the deposit, but rather lender mortgage income requirements.

And

b) Boost the construction industry with a mass social housing build.

Currently the taxpayer spends billions and billions and billions on direct and indirect costs of the public health housing and homelessness emergency.

@jgw1

Well let's just hope he doesn't do a Blair and turn on some of society's most vulnerable.

Well isn't it excellent that in the 15 years since Blair was Prime Minister those policies have been reversed....

It's dreadful. Blair's toxic legacy - with his (in the case of Cameron, self described) heirs continuing his wicked war on the disabled.

Well let's just hope he doesn't do a Blair and turn on some of society's most vulnerable

Blair's war on the disabled was a terrible thing, that has had long reaching devastating consequences for those too ill or disabled to work. They are not 'working people' through no fault of their own

I think you will find the Tories have waged such a war since 2010. They built on Blair's welfare reforms, introduced some new ones and basically weaponised the war on the disabled to nuclear levels.

@jgw1

Well let's just hope he doesn't do a Blair and turn on some of society's most vulnerable.

Well isn't it excellent that in the 15 years since Blair was Prime Minister those policies have been reversed....

Exactly. How anyone can blame Blair after a decade of austerity defies belief.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-people-stopped-believing-in-the-benefits-due-to-tony-blair-researchers-claim-9753824.html

@ClaudineClare I don't disagree. All of Blair's successors (including Gordon Brown, and the Lib Dems as part of the coalition government) have continued further down that road.

Perhaps Starmer will take us in a more humane direction. Hopefully he will remember that the mark of a civilissd society is how it treats the more vulnerable. 🤞 that whoever comes next (whichever political party) takes heed.

And like I said, it's not just a matter of altruism. It makes good economic sense too. Self interest was the primary motivation for the introduction of the original welfare state, NHS, and social housing. Eventually there reaches a tipping point. Wanting a stable cohesive society is about more than just principles.

Exactly. How anyone can blame Blair after a decade of austerity defies belief.

Blair started it - the war on the disabled. It's impossible to discuss it without acknowledging that fact.

Both Labour and the Conservatives (and the Lib Dems) are responsible. The issue goes back longer than 10 years.

But we can't change the past (although we need to acknowledge it). What we can do, if we want to, is move forward in a more constructive, compassionate, and hopefully less adversarial way. Both sides of the political divide.

Gary Streeter has handed in his letter. 3 today.

Gary Streeter - first elected Tory MP in 1992 - submits letter of no confidence

"I cannot reconcile the pain and sacrifice of the vast majority of the British Public during lockdown with the attitude and activities of those working in Downing Street"

Sam Coates Sky

I really should stop xposting with you Notonthestairs

Duncin. We must be loitering on similar Twitter feeds.