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Do you think Spotify should continue to host Joe Rogan's podcast?

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lonelyapple · 30/01/2022 17:34

Quite a few singers (Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren to name a few) have said they want to have their music removed from Spotify as a protest against Spotify hosting Joe Rogan's podcast (they think he is spreading covid vaccine misinformation), so Spotify will have to choose between hosting their music or Joe Rogan's podcast.

I personally think this is ridiculous as Joe Rogan talks to a range of people about a range of different subjects and his podcasts are interesting and popular and people can always choose not to listen to them and even if they do, it doesn't mean they believe everything being said. I don't think Spotify should cave to such threats and I think this would set a dangerous precedent.

www.ft.com/content/a9fdaf0d-8d46-4a16-881f-a1b0635d3ce3

YANBU - Spotify should keep Joe Rogan's podcast.
YABU - Spotify should not keep Joe Rogan's podcast.

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heronsinflight · 30/01/2022 22:29

There is a back story here. Many musicians were already deeply unhappy about the absolute pittance that Spotify pays in royalties. They then diverted $100m from their inadequate royalty budget to sign Joe Rogan to an exclusive deal. That was widely seen as a massive kick in the teeth and a lot of musicians remain very bitter about it.

MimiDaisy11 · 30/01/2022 22:38

I’m not saying Rogan necessarily has an agenda but if you keep having anti vaxers, (especially with trusting titles like doctor) on your show and you’re not clued up enough to correct or challenge them then the result is that your show spreads misinformation.

Spotify has removed covid misinformation on its platform before so it’s not like Rogan has been mistreated if anything they’re making an exception for him.

Aderyn21 · 30/01/2022 22:38

De platforming is more of a problem for society than some people hearing views they don't agree with!

Thirtytimesround · 30/01/2022 22:38

I haven’t listened to it but there is way too much ‘cancelling’ and censorship flying around at the moment. And millionaires saying ‘if you play that you can’t play me’ feels like using their market strength to bully a less famous person. Yanbu.

If people disagree with him they’re free to make their own podcast about it…

mummykel16 · 30/01/2022 22:38

What misinformation is he spreading? I mean, actually spreading, not something you've heard he's supposed to be spreading.

I hope you are not expecting an answer

1dayatatime · 30/01/2022 22:39

It's worth noting that if you had said two years ago that Covid was airborne your views would have been dismissed as Covid misinformation.

Or if you had said one year ago that the vaccine didn't prevent you catching Covid or it only greatly reduced the probability but didn't 100% stop
hospitalisation or death then you would have been dismissed as an anti vaxxer.

The reality is over time new information is discovered, existing theories challenged and our understanding and knowledge expands. To dismiss views that are different to the prevailing orthodoxy of today as anti vaxx or Covid deniers smacks a little of the religious zealots of the Middle Ages.

mummykel16 · 30/01/2022 22:40

I had the vaccines I supported the lockdowns but I still wanted the truth, opinions from all sides not just the well paid side.

BelleHathor · 30/01/2022 22:41

@CaptainMarvelDanvers

I don’t agree with him on a lot of things, but a lot of the stuff that gets reported on media about him saying - is not what he actually says, or they take it out of context.

He had a CNN medical correspondent on his show, CNN have told blatant lies and so he was point blank asking him if he thinks it’s ok for the mainstream media to twist and make things up.

Joe Rogan is a comedian, UFC commentator and a tv host - he is not a doctor, he doesn’t claim to be and he often says that if people make life decisions on what he says then they are idiots.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=DkTXEexNB2E

It was a masterclass in holding CNN to account.
Rogan to Gupta "I can afford human medicine motherfucker!"

SuperWoofing · 30/01/2022 22:43

@Aderyn21

De platforming is more of a problem for society than some people hearing views they don't agree with!
Even more a problem when people have campaigns to have people de platformed for things they have never actually said.
mummykel16 · 30/01/2022 22:43

Anyone remember fauci saying it was like a cold or the who saying closing borders was unnecessary or that masks are pointless and could make it worse etc?

1dayatatime · 30/01/2022 22:44

What misinformation is he spreading? I mean, actually spreading, not something you've heard he's supposed to be spreading.

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@MimiDaisy11 - any chance of an answer? It would certainly help educate me as well as saving me from listening to a three hour podcast

Newrumpus · 30/01/2022 22:46

@Pumperthepumper

Tesco is a supermarket. It’s not a platform.

It’s a space where it’s perfectly possible to stand and make your ‘free speech’ heard. Should they accept that, or ask him to leave?

They should sell the milk.
HikingforScenery · 30/01/2022 22:47

I don’t know any of the music produced by any of the people mentioned in the OP but I wonder how much they get through Spotify? I’d it any loss for them really?
I don’t know Rogan either so don’t know how ‘bad’ he is.

mummykel16 · 30/01/2022 22:47

Anyone remember biden kamala and co saying they wouldn't have the vaccine as they wouldn't trust it?

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 22:48

@Newrumpus ok. Tesco would, rightly, ask someone to leave for exercising their racist free speech in their shops. That’s why it’s not censorship, it’s a private company deciding their own rules.

Newrumpus · 30/01/2022 22:49

[quote Pumperthepumper]@Newrumpus ok. Tesco would, rightly, ask someone to leave for exercising their racist free speech in their shops. That’s why it’s not censorship, it’s a private company deciding their own rules.[/quote]
Tesco has nothing to do with it. This tangent is bizarre.

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 22:51

@Newrumpus I don’t see how I can make it clearer: do you believe free speech means being able to say whatever you like (racist statements) anywhere you like (Tesco) without consequence (being asked to leave)? And if you do believe that, where do you draw the line? Surely a world where people can be as offensive as possible without being stopped is worse?

Newrumpus · 30/01/2022 22:52

Attempting to control what discussions others have access to is censorship.

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 22:52

@Newrumpus

Attempting to control what discussions others have access to is censorship.
No, it isn’t.
LondonWolf · 30/01/2022 22:53

@mummykel16

Anyone remember biden kamala and co saying they wouldn't have the vaccine as they wouldn't trust it?
Yes indeed. When it was "Trump's vaccine"...
MissAmbrosia · 30/01/2022 22:58

I go to Spotify to binge listen to 80s music or whatever my current earworm is, not to listen to podcasts of people talking shite. I can see all sides. To me it's more of an issue that Spotify doesn't pay proper royalties if that is true. People talk shite all over the place, you can choose not to listen to it.

SuperWoofing · 30/01/2022 22:59

[quote Pumperthepumper]**@Newrumpus* I don’t see how I can make it clearer: do you believe free speech means being able to say whatever you like (racist statements) anywhere you like (Tesco) without consequence (being asked to leave)? And if you do* believe that, where do you draw the line? Surely a world where people can be as offensive as possible without being stopped is worse?[/quote]
I think it's important if you are considering censoring someone, that you make sure it's for something they've actually said, wouldn't you agree?
I mean a situation where a man was thrown out of Tesco for racist abuse would look different if the man had actually been talking about the sprouts, and hadn't actually said anything racist at all?

Buwch · 30/01/2022 23:01

Anyone remember biden kamala and co saying they wouldn't have the vaccine as they wouldn't trust it?

That’s a bit of a misrepresentation...

www.snopes.com/fact-check/kamala-harris-refuse-trump-vaccine/

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 23:02

@SuperWoofing I’m trying to make the point that private companies don’t have to host anything they don’t want to. So mumsnet could delete this post of mine just because they don’t like it. That’s not against my right to free speech, I don’t have any right to mumnset’s audience.

SuperWoofing · 30/01/2022 23:09

[quote Pumperthepumper]@SuperWoofing I’m trying to make the point that private companies don’t have to host anything they don’t want to. So mumsnet could delete this post of mine just because they don’t like it. That’s not against my right to free speech, I don’t have any right to mumnset’s audience.[/quote]
Fair enough, it's a pretty obvious point though tbh so you don't really need to keep making it. Anyway, it seems Spotify, as a private company, have decided to not host Neil Young's music so there you go.