Page 8 | Do you think Spotify should continue to host Joe Rogan's podcast?

lonelyapple · 2022-01-30T17:34:57+00:00

Quite a few singers (Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren to name a few) have said they want to have their music removed from Spotify as a protest against Spotify hosting Joe Rogan's podcast (they think he is spreading covid vaccine misinformation), so Spotify will have to choose between hosting their music or Joe Rogan's podcast. I personally think this is ridiculous as Joe Rogan talks to a range of people about a range of different subjects and his podcasts are interesting and popular and people can always choose not to listen to them and even if they do, it doesn't mean they believe everything being said. I don't think Spotify should cave to such threats and I think this would set a dangerous precedent. [[https://www.ft.com/content/a9fdaf0d-8d46-4a16-881f-a1b0635d3ce3]] YANBU - Spotify should keep Joe Rogan's podcast. YABU - Spotify should not keep Joe Rogan's podcast.

sashagabadon · 30/01/2022 21:49

There would probably be more hassle for Spotify to remove joe rogan!
Take another issue that is contentious and polarises opinion and imagine a music artist demanding what can be said about it by another person on a social media platform. We’d all be and
There’s loads of contested issues out there. On this occasion it’s vaccines but next time it could be something you agree with that is being censored.
It’s when you disagree with something but still think that person has the right to say it that you test whether you really do believe in free speech or not.

Empressofthemundane · 30/01/2022 21:51

Democracies cannot function without free speech.

De-platforming and cancelling are just censorship.

Joe Rogan bores me to death. I’m fully vaccinated and so are my children. But, I think Rogan and Spotify should crack on. Censoring him will not build trust or reduce vaccine hesitancy.

Neil Young has been on his high horse since the 1970s.

(I asked Spotify to play “Sweet Home Alabama” for me today as my own two fingers up to censorship. For those not in the know, in this classic southern rock anthem, Lynard Skynard name checks “Mr Young” and explicitly dismissed him and his opinions.)

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 21:53

It’s when you disagree with something but still think that person has the right to say it that you test whether you really do believe in free speech or not.

And the test of how far you believe ‘free speech’ means ‘free consequence’ is how likely you are to applaud someone shouting racist statements in Tesco when you’re in buying milk.

MarshmallowSwede · 30/01/2022 21:55

@Pumperthepumper

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BullfinchJanuary · 30/01/2022 21:55

I like Joe Rogan but wouldn't use him as a sage or oracle 😂.

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 21:57

[quote MarshmallowSwede]@Pumperthepumper

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What does that mean? Are you happy with it or not? Do you want full expression from anyone under ‘free speech’, or not?

1dayatatime · 30/01/2022 21:58

@Witchcraftandhokum

Joe Rogan isn't just an anti-vaxer, he's said that Covid diagnoses have been financially incentivised and he has promoted invectorin to treat Covid which doesn't do anything for Covid and can have awful side-effects

FFS - Joe Regan is just the interviewer or podcast host, the controversial guest with views on which drugs to treat Covid was Dr Malone.

Seriously when people cannot actually distinguish between the roles of interviewer and guest and assume that the interviewer must therefore have the same views as the guest, then you can see how we are all in serious trouble and how fragile journalism and free speech are.

Witchcraftandhokum · 30/01/2022 22:00

Well 1dayatatime aside from the view that I've already mentioned where hospitals are incentivised for diagnosing Covid as a cause of death, I have a bit of a problem with the idea that "mass formation psychosis” is responsible for people believing in the efficacy of vaccines, oh and also the actively discouraging young people to get vaccinated. Malone has already been banned from Twitter.

mummykel16 · 30/01/2022 22:01

@Witchcraftandhokum

Joe Rogan isn't just an anti-vaxer, he's said that Covid diagnoses have been financially incentivised and he has promoted invectorin to treat Covid which doesn't do anything for Covid and can have awful side-effects

That's some misinformation right there

Witchcraftandhokum · 30/01/2022 22:03

And anyway 1dayatatime I'm not necessarily advocating he be banned from Spotify, I would just rather give my money to someone who didn't promote him

Lilifer · 30/01/2022 22:04

@Pumperthepumper your posts are slightly incoherent so in the interests of clarity do you support censorship? A Yes or No answer will suffice thanks.

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 22:05

[quote Lilifer]@Pumperthepumper your posts are slightly incoherent so in the interests of clarity do you support censorship? A Yes or No answer will suffice thanks.[/quote]
I apologise for my lack of clarity.

No, I do not support censorship. And this is not censorship.

mummykel16 · 30/01/2022 22:08

@Witchcraftandhokum

Well 1dayatatime aside from the view that I've already mentioned where hospitals are incentivised for diagnosing Covid as a cause of death, I have a bit of a problem with the idea that "mass formation psychosis” is responsible for people believing in the efficacy of vaccines, oh and also the actively discouraging young people to get vaccinated. Malone has already been banned from Twitter.

Probably because it's pointless for most

mummykel16 · 30/01/2022 22:12

If we are going to support the banning of so called misinformation people like fauci and ferguson should have been first in the queue, but as governments pay for them it is deemed acceptable

SuperWoofing · 30/01/2022 22:12

It seems bizarre that people are so upset by the fact that Joe Rogan is an antivaxxer, despite the fact that he isn't, and that he is spreading dangerous antivaxxer sentiments, despite the fact that he isn't.

How many of the people who want him dropped by Spotify actually listened to the podcast? I'm guessing about none, but they have read some tweets about him being an antivaxxer.

Has Neil Young listened to the podcast? Again I would guess no.

It would be great if people could base their righteous outrage on facts rather than a few tweets.

Newrumpus · 30/01/2022 22:12

@Pumperthepumper

It’s when you disagree with something but still think that person has the right to say it that you test whether you really do believe in free speech or not.

And the test of how far you believe ‘free speech’ means ‘free consequence’ is how likely you are to applaud someone shouting racist statements in Tesco when you’re in buying milk.

This makes no sense. In your scenario the applause is the consequence.

MimiDaisy11 · 30/01/2022 22:15

No one is curtailing Rogan’s free speech. Sure you don’t have to listen to his podcast but equally if you’re on that platform like Neil Young is/was and dislike the misinformation he spreads then you have the right to protest and withdraw your music. This is not Neil Young’s first protest.

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 22:16

@Newrumpus how do you mean? Should Tesco give a person that platform or not?

OmgIThinkILikeYou · 30/01/2022 22:17

What about all the conspiracy podcasts? They are a load of rubbish too but they are fun to listen too.

SuperWoofing · 30/01/2022 22:18

@MimiDaisy11

No one is curtailing Rogan’s free speech. Sure you don’t have to listen to his podcast but equally if you’re on that platform like Neil Young is/was and dislike the misinformation he spreads then you have the right to protest and withdraw your music. This is not Neil Young’s first protest.

What misinformation is he spreading? I mean, actually spreading, not something you've heard he's supposed to be spreading.

Newrumpus · 30/01/2022 22:19

[quote Pumperthepumper]@Newrumpus how do you mean? Should Tesco give a person that platform or not?[/quote]
Tesco is a supermarket. It’s not a platform.

CassTheFox · 30/01/2022 22:20

As a side, R Kelly’s music is readily available on Spotify and continues to have millions of streams…

Rewis · 30/01/2022 22:21

I don't like rogan or his podcast. He has some interesting guests but unfortunately he is too unlikeable to listen to it for the guests. But I do think the listeners has a responsibility to have media literacy. Yes, Spotify is giving him a platform to spout misinformation but it is just a platform. They themselves are not making people listen. If they were to put inserts of the podcast between songs then thay would be different.

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 22:22

Tesco is a supermarket. It’s not a platform.

It’s a space where it’s perfectly possible to stand and make your ‘free speech’ heard. Should they accept that, or ask him to leave?

DreamTheMoors · 30/01/2022 22:26

@TheAverageUser

If people are going to an MMA commentator for their health advise then we have bigger issues. Surely people can weigh up information and sources and come to sensible conclusions (I like to think).

You’d be wrong about 40% of the US. They rely on Covid disinformation for health advice. And then they end up on ventilators, or worse, they die. I’ll never understand a political party actively killing their voters, but that’s exactly what they’re doing — via Rogan & others, Congress-members, Murdoch’s media and other far-right media and print. Sad.