Do you think Spotify should continue to host Joe Rogan's podcast?

[lonelyapple]

Quite a few singers (Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren to name a few) have said they want to have their music removed from Spotify as a protest against Spotify hosting Joe Rogan's podcast (they think he is spreading covid vaccine misinformation), so Spotify will have to choose between hosting their music or Joe Rogan's podcast.

I personally think this is ridiculous as Joe Rogan talks to a range of people about a range of different subjects and his podcasts are interesting and popular and people can always choose not to listen to them and even if they do, it doesn't mean they believe everything being said. I don't think Spotify should cave to such threats and I think this would set a dangerous precedent.

www.ft.com/content/a9fdaf0d-8d46-4a16-881f-a1b0635d3ce3

YANBU - Spotify should keep Joe Rogan's podcast.
YABU - Spotify should not keep Joe Rogan's podcast.

maybe stray into the point at which those actions prevent other people from going about their lawful business?

I agree but the line where it’s ‘just’ freedom of speech/opinion and where it becomes something that encroaches on others ability to ensure that harm doesn’t come to themselves is really blurred. I’ve worded that badly I think, but perhaps it’s reliant on what the majority of the audience does with that information that makes the difference which would make it really difficult to ever draw formal boundaries.

Again, I don’t really have more than a fringe knowledge of JR but I’m also aware that the American view point is going to be very different because they’re dealing with a very different environment in their society. The January 6th storming of Capitol Hill off the back of the Qanon movement and things like people consuming poisons off the back of a presidents musings is a very different background to be discussing the influence of media platforms to the one we have in the UK.

Yes that's true. And a country where citizens are routinely armed, does have an effect on these things.

Joe Rohan's response to the accusations of misinformation etc. For those who haven't listened to the actual podcasts. It's only ten minutes...

twitter.com/joerogan/status/1488019683404136448?s=20&t=kiUI1NtkgeHf49AH9cFnDA

Rogan obvs

@Cornettoninja

maybe stray into the point at which those actions prevent other people from going about their lawful business?

I agree but the line where it’s ‘just’ freedom of speech/opinion and where it becomes something that encroaches on others ability to ensure that harm doesn’t come to themselves is really blurred. I’ve worded that badly I think, but perhaps it’s reliant on what the majority of the audience does with that information that makes the difference which would make it really difficult to ever draw formal boundaries.

Again, I don’t really have more than a fringe knowledge of JR but I’m also aware that the American view point is going to be very different because they’re dealing with a very different environment in their society. The January 6th storming of Capitol Hill off the back of the Qanon movement and things like people consuming poisons off the back of a presidents musings is a very different background to be discussing the influence of media platforms to the one we have in the UK.

Who is consuming poison (what poison) on the back of a presidents musings??

[quote LondonWolf]Joe Rohan's response to the accusations of misinformation etc. For those who haven't listened to the actual podcasts. It's only ten minutes...

twitter.com/joerogan/status/1488019683404136448?s=20&t=kiUI1NtkgeHf49AH9cFnDA[/quote]
Thanks @LondonWolf I will check that out. I am actually someone who did listen to that entire podcast with Robert Malone and JR can handle himself well enough to challenge RM to back up his claims and did do a lot.

Thanks @LondonWolf I will check that out. I am actually someone who did listen to that entire podcast with Robert Malone and JR can handle himself well enough to challenge RM to back up his claims and did do a lot.

Same. I like how he immediately pushes back "Jamie can we look that up/check that out?" etc. and Jamie fact checks it there and then. I just don't really recognise the claims people who haven't even bothered to listen are making about the podcast. He has so many different types of people as guests as well, I mean Amanda Knox for example, and others who have been cancelled, or get so much hostility elsewhere. There's a lot of misinformation out there it's true but he's one of the lesser offenders imo.

@LondonWolf

Thanks @LondonWolf I will check that out. I am actually someone who did listen to that entire podcast with Robert Malone and JR can handle himself well enough to challenge RM to back up his claims and did do a lot.

Same. I like how he immediately pushes back "Jamie can we look that up/check that out?" etc. and Jamie fact checks it there and then. I just don't really recognise the claims people who haven't even bothered to listen are making about the podcast. He has so many different types of people as guests as well, I mean Amanda Knox for example, and others who have been cancelled, or get so much hostility elsewhere. There's a lot of misinformation out there it's true but he's one of the lesser offenders imo.

People are happy to spout off negative opinions about people/things/podcasts they haven't even listened to, I don't really understand it, maybe laziness or they feel like they already know enough from reading 2nd hand accounts on social media like MN, Twitter etc

@Lilifer it was from a speech he made where he was clearly thinking out loud and also suggested getting uv light into veins to kill off covid. He also was a very big backer of early reports hydroxychloroquine was a cure for covid which lead to a couple obtaining a product meant for fish and one dying.

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177.amp

www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-06-05/cdc-some-people-did-take-bleach-to-protect-from-coronavirus?context=amp

www.bbc.co.uk/news/52012242

[quote Cornettoninja]@Lilifer it was from a speech he made where he was clearly thinking out loud and also suggested getting uv light into veins to kill off covid. He also was a very big backer of early reports hydroxychloroquine was a cure for covid which lead to a couple obtaining a product meant for fish and one dying.

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177.amp

www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-06-05/cdc-some-people-did-take-bleach-to-protect-from-coronavirus?context=amp

www.bbc.co.uk/news/52012242[/quote]
Well there is no legislating for stupidity like the kind that you reference with that couple, anyone who's daft enough to treat themselves with bleach off the back of Trumps musings is just thick as two planks IMO.

Hydroxychloroquine was being investigated as a possible treatment back in 2020 along with things like dexethasone and has since been rejected which we all know so it isn't outrageous that Trump would talk about it at the time when it was being trialed as a possible treatment.

Rohan comes across well in that vid.

I read that James Blunt threatened to release music unless they removed him which made me laugh

If the content is illegal then the content should be banned, and if necessary the content provider should also be banned. Examples of such content are incitement to violence, holocaust denial etc.

Legal content should not be banned, even if you, or the prevailing orthodoxy, think it is wrong or even dangerous. Lawmakers have the option of making it illegal.

Young, Mitchell et el are perfectly within their rights to remove their content from Spotify for whatever reason they like - maybe they don't want to be on the same platform as James Blunt. Spotify are perfectly within their rights to host, or refuse to host anything they want. BTW, Joni Mitchell in "This Flight Tonight" says "Up go the flaps, Down go the wheels" which is totally dangerous if you were to do this whilst trying to land an aircraft - perhaps she should be removed from Spotify.

I find it interesting that Spotify have all but removed R.Kelly's music but continue to host content by other convicted law breakers - from drugs offences through to murder - Gary Glitter, Lostprophets (Ian Watkins), Chuck Berry, Paul McCartney, Sex Pistols (Sid Vicious), Phil Spector, Lil Wayne, Ike Turner, James Brown, Tupac and countless others.

@Pumperthepumper

Yes I believe in free speech. Any other questions?

I’m an adult and I believe that others are entitled to their views and opinions. It doesn’t mean I have to agree.

Only small minded weak people can’t tolerate opposing views. Or children.

Have a good evening

[quote MarshmallowSwede]@Pumperthepumper

Yes I believe in free speech. Any other questions?

I’m an adult and I believe that others are entitled to their views and opinions. It doesn’t mean I have to agree.

Only small minded weak people can’t tolerate opposing views. Or children.

Have a good evening[/quote]
Of course, this isn’t against anyones rights to free speech.

And I don’t believe that’s the question I asked you.

YANBU

Spotify should keep Rogan.

Neil Young, Joni Mitchel are free to do what they've done. I don't think I'd have done the same thing, but it should be their prerogative, and if believe strongly enough to take such a hit to their income, then I respect their committment to their principles.

I thank Megan for providing us with an absolutely 24 carat gold, and embossed example of virtue signaling.

Yes.. it's awful that social media platforms have algorithms which send people down rabbit holes, but people should hfs the right to choose what they want to listen to. Joe Rogan has some alleged bizarre views on vaccination but he has also had great interviews with women like Abigail Shrier on women & children's rights.
I think cancellation often comes from the Left which is veering on Marxism. Western leftists cherry pick Marxist policies but the one that's always retained is the demand that everyone thinks the same. We don't - but we are being told that if you like some things Rogan says we are right-wing. We are more complex than that