Pregnant 'person' emoji, for gender inclusivity.

[Indigofig]

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10451689/Apple-adopts-latest-emoji-including-pregnant-MAN.html

I know it is DM, but this has really angered the feminist in me. AIBU to feel like this? Or is it justified?

[quote Porfre]@harrystylestaylorswift
There is already a word that describes me and it is woman.

No extra description is necessary. You know nothing of my gender or whether I even have one.[/quote]
Well if your gender (or lack of it) doesn't align with your sex..... [hmmm][hmmm][hmmm]

ignore the emoji error

Gender is an hierarchical power system designed to oppress women @harrystylestaylorswift I want no part of it.

I don’t identify as a woman. I simply am one. I need no sexist pre-fix applied to me.

harrystylestaylorswift

Oh my you are so indoctrinated you don't understand that most people are not born with a gender essence. I can promise you 100% of humans are born with a biological sex, either make or female*, and that's enough for most of us.

*Including people with DSD's although a very tiny number may be born with ambiguous genitalia.

harrystylestaylorswift
that's not answering the question really.

Regarding stats, there is a dearth of information. (I wonder why? A separate thread) the most authoritative we have comes from the Swedish longitutal study, I believe, which shows that male crime patterns remain steady, regardless of gender identity or trans status. When you look at UK rates, its hard to parse out, especially since many police forces have stopped recording crimes by sex, leading to an unprecedented rise in violent and sexual crimes committed by 'women'. But we know that over 40 % of transwomen prisoners are in for sexual crimes, over twice the rate than for natal men.

If one man in a hundred is a sex pest, we probably have met many of them, over the course of a lifetime.

The point is, that trans males are are as likely (or more? Though I don't believe they are genuine) as any other to be sex pests. But they have a no-questions-asked pass that other males don't have.
99% are perfectly fine and lovely, I'm sure. Same as any man.

The questions stand. How does anyone know which trans identified male falls into 1%, given that males and trans identified males offend at the same rates?

What stops predatory men exploiting this loophole by claiming a trans identity?

If these questions could be answered it would be great for everyone.

@harrystylestaylorswift

ignore the emoji error

Well, that's what the whole thread is about, isn't it. A load of bollocks.

Why do you find it offensive? It literally just means that your sex and gender align

'Gender' is bullshit sex role stereotypes not special feelings that align with anything.
Most people are non conforming without having to claim they are the opposite sex, which is impossible.

Most of us don't have any 'gender' or believe in gender ideology. Using the term 'cis' to attempt to put us in the same category as a group of men can fuck right off. Not my religion.

Women and transwomen. Simple.

However men are predatory without needing to adopt a trans identity

Yes but predatory men can now simply say 'I am women' to gain access to all the spaces women and children are at their most vulnerable. They don't even have to change their appearance or wear a dress.

How do you protect FEMALES if you remove their single SEX spaces because you think we should accommodate some males?

The point is, that trans males are are as likely (or more? Though I don't believe they are genuine) as any other to be sex pests. But they have a no-questions-asked pass that other males don't have.

This is an important point.

Either transwomen are more likely than other males to be sex offenders and should therefore not have access to female spaces OR defacto self ID has resulted in sexual predators claiming a trans identity to gain access to women and children, for the purposes of offending, in which case self ID should not be made law because it lacks adequate safeguarding.

Which do we think is more likely?

Wouldn't this cause dysphoria in trans men?

harrystylestaylorswift

I never understand why anyone would think that transwomen have a different level of criminality than other males. Surely logic dictates that they wouldn't. Gender is purely in their own mind, nothing physical, so why would it change?

Anyway, assuming for a moment that it does change, when does the magic happen that takes them from one level of threat to the other lower level?

Have they always had a lower likelihood of criminality? (even before they realised they were trans? Why would that be true?)
Does it happen when they realise they are trans? (gender dysphoria is no longer required to be trans)
When they put on a dress? (there's no requirement for any TW to wear stereotypical women's clothes or attempt to pass)
When they start hormones? (no requirement for this to be considered trans)
Surgery? (something like over 90% of TW has no surgery and when they do have some surgery that may mean breast implants or facial feminisation surgery, not penis removal)

As someone said above, you wouldn't even be able to get stats for this in the UK anymore as crimes are now recorded by gender, not sex.

As for the OP, I think the emoji is ridiculous but at least they added a man rather than removed the woman as they usually do. These sorts of things are pure virtue signalling, it's low cost and means they get some publicity without having to actually do anything concrete for making anyone's lives better.

Because men cannot get pregnant.

@WeRTheOnesWeHaveBeenWaitingFor

So are they getting rid of ‘pregnant women’ is it going to be pregnant man/person?

Of course not. Adding not instead of.

We have to stand firm and make our feelings very clear. 'Male' pregnant emoji NO. For all those be kind, don't use it then, what harm does it do comments that make the rest of us look mean, petty etc this is another 'wedge' another straw removed. Do you not understand; if you don't fight against the little, the big comes next and it's too late. We are 51% of the population - how dare they and yet they do. So, don't take it lying down because it could be you or other women in your family affected next.

@RedToothBrush

We are going to end up with kids thinking the fat bloke down the pub is 5 years pregnant because no one told the truth to them about biology.

😂

Well if your gender (or lack of it) doesn't align with your sex..... [hmmm][hmmm][hmmm]

Yeah woman still works as it refers to sex, doesn’t have to have anything to do with my feelings about how much I identify with sex stereotypes.

If I said I was cis woman that would be suggest I identify with all those harmful stereotypes.

If you're pregnant then you're a woman.

If you can't understand this, then do not leave home without an adult.

Here’s some questions I’d be curious to know the answer to @harrystylestaylorswift, @PinkyU and those telling us we are transphobic:

If every single transwomen is no more risk to women than the average natal female once transitioned, what happens to transmen after they’ve transitioned?

Do transmen post transition suddenly become as much as a risk to women as natal males? And if not, why not?

Thing is, I don’t hear of many transmen raping, murdering, stalking and beating women to a pulp.

How would you account for this?

It's a sincere question:

Are transgender men who are pregnant not permitted an emoji? If not, why not?

🙄 rtft

@PinkyU

Except they’re not women, they’re trans men.

They are biologically female which is why they can carry a pregnancy, they are still trans men, not women.

Female: biological

Woman: socially constructed

See.... I don't agree that 'women' are socially constructed and I don't understand this thinking at all.

I am a woman, I feel and identify as a women and I have lived with the experience (good and bad).of being a woman.

I disagree that its a social construct.

Thanks FOJN. I am not 'cis' either; how can I be a subset of women, when I am an adult human female, so the real deal?

This is yet another reason not to buy anything from Apple.

@thegcatsmother

Thanks FOJN. I am not 'cis' either; how can I be a subset of women, when I am an adult human female, so the real deal?

This is yet another reason not to buy anything from Apple.

Google have also implemented these emoji: emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/ and emojipedia.org/pregnant-person/

It isn't Apple / Google / individual tech companies who determine which Emoji exist -- but they do decide how to implement them. (I'm not sure what would happen if they refused to implement one or more of them.) Which emoji exist or don't is determined by the Unicode Consortium.

If I said I was cis woman that would be suggest I identify with all those harmful stereotypes.

Exactly @jellyfrizz Well put, for those hard of thinking.

I am a woman, I feel and identify as a women and I have lived with the experience (good and bad).of being a woman

But there are so many different ways of being a woman. I know plenty of women who work in male dominated fields, don't dress or look as women are societally expected to, have predominately males friends, etc. But they don't feel that any of that makes their experience not that of a woman. It's only society that puts boundaries on what being a woman entails.

@Mummyoflittledragon I did, and I still don't see it. Transgender men who are pregnant exist, albeit there are not many of them. You could argue that there are not enough transgender men who are pregnant to warrant an emoji (arguably true), or that the emoji ought to be called "Pregnant transman" (possibly more accurate, better still just "Man with big belly") but I think it's quite odd to say that there oughtn't be an emoji for something because you don't agree with that thing.