Pregnant 'person' emoji, for gender inclusivity.

[Indigofig]

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10451689/Apple-adopts-latest-emoji-including-pregnant-MAN.html

I know it is DM, but this has really angered the feminist in me. AIBU to feel like this? Or is it justified?

@LaChanticleer

I should have thought that if a woman has dysphoria about her sex to the point that she wants to remove all her secondary sex characteristics (breasts, uterus, ovaries), and fill her body with artificial hormones so she can present socially as masculine,

then the absolutely worst thing to keep on exacerbating that dysphoria would be to do the most womanly, female thing you can do: conceive, bear & give birth to a child.

It's something only women, (regarded as a grouping), can do (although not all individual women do or can).

I think the emoji is almost redundant because of how rare it is for trans men to carry children based on your points about dysphoria. Not because I think its trying to erase pregnant women.

@CurbsideProphet

Interesting that a biological woman who identifies as non-binary or as male would do the most womanly act possible of becoming pregnant. We can tip toe around with awkward language changes, calling women "people", and creating new emojis, but the fact is that only biological women can become pregnant. There's nothing offensive about scientific fact.

'The most womanly act possible'? So as someone who has never been pregnant and is not like to ever become pregnant I'm somehow less of a woman?

@StevieNicksscarf

Sorry *@harrystylestaylorswift* but there is more to "womanhood" than shopping in a supermarket or using a ladies loo!!

I think you already know that I am not implying that in the slightest, just merely using examples.

The most womanly act possible'? So as someone who has never been pregnant and is not like to ever become pregnant I'm somehow less of a woman?

It's 'womanly' because only women can do it and you'd think someone living as a man wouldn't want to go through a female experience. It's not a requirement to being a woman and obviously doesn't make you less (I don't think anyone is saying that, least of all feminists).

@Coffeetwosugars I'm going through IVF and facing a childless future. Not being pregnant or having children doesn't make me less of a woman. Pregnancy and motherhood are solely womanly experiences because biological men cannot become pregnant or give birth.

harrystylestaylorswift
How do you square all that with the fact that MtF people retain the same pattern of criminal and sexual violence as men?
How would you propose we deal with predators adopting a trans identity for the purposes of peeping, say, in single sex spaces, all the way up to rape?

@harrystylestaylorswift you lost me at cis-woman - there’s no such thing as a cis woman.

@1Week

harrystylestaylorswift How do you square all that with the fact that MtF people retain the same pattern of criminal and sexual violence as men? How would you propose we deal with predators adopting a trans identity for the purposes of peeping, say, in single sex spaces, all the way up to rape?

somehow I don't think we will be getting an answer to that

StillWeRise
It's such a pity. If we could come to some arrangements about basic safeguarding, this whole debate would be 90% over and we could all - women, trans people - hang up our boots.

We can't accept higher risks to ourselves and our kids, and it's flat out wrong to be expected to, with no debate, no respect, and no proposed solutions.

but the fact is that only biological women can become pregnant.

You wouldn't think this would need to be stated (again and again and again) but it is batshit times we live in.

It took forever to have an emoji for periods despite half the population having them during their life. There has been 1 pregnant transman in this country and this emoji has been created. That's an interesting comparison of the priorities of google isn't it.

Yes it is

Well it's an emoji of a woman, looking like a man, who is pregnant. Men can't get pregnant, only the delusional would disagree.

@Mollymalone11

All part of the campaign to erase women! Even using the word woman now is not allowed. It’s amazing how a tiny share of the worlds population are insisting on minimising 50% of the population and belittling / erasing their lived experiences. It’s awful.

I agree with this @Mollymalone11. It seems to me that if this goes one, we'll soon loose not only the equality we've won over recent decades, but any status we ever had. Some people now seem to think that the word "woman" has not objective, concrete meaning and if this ever did become a majority opinion, it would indeed erase us as persons. Please God, common sense will prevail though and TBH, most ordinary, non woke people know it's a load of shite! The KNOW only biological adult female human beings can conceive, carry a human baby and give birth.

HSE (Irelands NHS) can't bring itself to mention women in its newest Get Your Smear campaign.
They already had an uproar last year during their last campaign.
And they still merrily fuck along dancing to the NGO's tune.

The same CervicalCheck whose incompetence has condemned several women to death because of their high rate of missed diagnoses.

Public health messaging. During a pandemic. Afraid to say "Woman".

I'm at the stage where reality, clarity and the truth are far more important than the freakouts of a tiny subset of the population.

Grab a hold of yourselves, Tiny Subset. Reality can't be held hostage to your histrionics for ever.

The longer this goes on, the more goodwill the Hayley Croppers of this world are losing.

@1Week yes yet posters like @PinkyU say if it doesn’t affect them they don’t care about the impact on other women. The impact here being premature death from cancer.

And generally to those from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, disadvantaged women and ethnic minorities who research has shown don’t understand old messaging around getting a smear - now they don’t even have the guidance available that women = smear

It’s an absolute disgrace. It’s all a concerted campaign against women - the emoji is part of that. Women need to wake up before we are totally erased

@TheKeatingFive

but the fact is that only biological women can become pregnant.

You wouldn't think this would need to be stated (again and again and again) but it is batshit times we live in.

It really is a mad world when it's somehow controversial to state biological facts.

@narcdad

Well it's an emoji of a woman, looking like a man, who is pregnant. Men can't get pregnant, only the delusional would disagree.

If you think its a picture of a woman looking like a man, i suggest you look up what a trojan horse is.

The problem with this is than trans men are actively being used as a trojan horse for older males. Transmen are overwhelmingly very young women whilst transwomen are middle aged and often already have kids.

Someone should start up a new newspaper called The Batshit Times

It’s just a man with a beer belly!!!

I think trans women have their own experiences that cis-women don't.

You are at liberty to describe yourself however you like but do not cis the entire female sex class. It is offensive to add a qualifier to my biological sex in order to validate another person's experience (particularly when I wasn't asked if I minded the re-brand) there are women and transwomen; no space, they are their own thing, not a subset of women, unless you are transphobic and need to erase their transness as if there is something wrong with it.

Cis is used in relation to gender so if you automatically cis gender a woman you may misgender her. I am female, I reject gender, do not cis me.

@RedToothBrush I was being sarcastic

narcdad speaking for myself I think you were clear! But RedToothbrush has made an important point on the back of your comment. We all really need to be aware of the tactics behind small kind inclusive gestures. Which is an awful way to be thinking, specially if you have a young person in your family caught up in all this, but sadly illuminating.

Seeing that male head on that body my instant response is..

Who ate all the pies?

Being told it's supposed to be a pregnant man my response is..

Greedy bloke pretending his gut is a 'food baby' after eating all the pies.

I don't agree with gender neutral toilets as I think openly inviting men into an area we are vulnerable in is safe in the slightest but I also don't exclude trans-women from female toilets.

There's an amazing amount of cognitive dissonance in this comment.

And as an aside, the term 'cis' in relation to gender is made up nonsense. Women object to being told that they must refer to themselves by a nonsense term while being threatened with loss of employment for not going along with preferred pronouns.

It’s just insulting bullshit. Men do not get pregnant, ever.