Pregnant 'person' emoji, for gender inclusivity.

[Indigofig]

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10451689/Apple-adopts-latest-emoji-including-pregnant-MAN.html

I know it is DM, but this has really angered the feminist in me. AIBU to feel like this? Or is it justified?

Womanhood - the experience of women varies. However women exist and will continue to exist. They exist regardless of what exterior you cover them in.

Sorry that was to Molly — completely agree.

‘PinkyU actually women are angry that a emoji has been created to reflect a situation that doesn’t exist. Only biological women can get pregnant. Men cannot get pregnant. This emoji is factually and scientifically incorrect and part of a much larger campaign of erasing women and making woman a dirty word.’

Womanhood might be different experiences but it’s all experienced by females. So, no, not something males can experience.

I need better glasses to get the nuances of emojis
really, just happy or sad faces are useful - beyond that I really don't care.

@Sparklingbrook

I can't think of when that emoji would be useful at all.

I could imagine if you were a woman with shorter hair than the other emoji you might like it

That's a good point @MooSakah. they need to do all the hair colours/lengths maybe.

@TheOccupier

Ugh, what woke-pandering bullshit. When I broke my ankle last year and spent weeks on crutches wearing a giant boot there was NO EMOJI FOR ME. What's more common, broken bones or pregnant women who look like men?

I hope you never need it, but there is a crutch emoji on the way:

emojipedia.org/crutch/

@slashlover

Women get pregnant and have babies. End of.

Right. But some women have short hair. Or some women have transitioned and now have masculine features, why should they not be represented?

I am pregnant and wear glasses so the none of these non-glasses wearing pregnancy emoji look like me. Where is my emoji representation @slashlover I’d wager more pregnant women wear glasses than trans men get pregnant. Yet somehow only one group is being pandered to. I wonder why….

I don't really mind about this, happy to have people included alongside women. It's when the word 'woman' is erased from topics which primarily affect us that I mind. Women and pregnant people, fine.

Guarantee blokes are going to be using it to call each other fat within seconds of its release.

oh FFS. So much pandering to the tiny-tiny slice of the population.

If men can get pregnant, I challenge them to do it.

I am pregnant and wear glasses so the none of these non-glasses wearing pregnancy emoji look like me. Where is my emoji representation @slashlover I’d wager more pregnant women wear glasses than trans men get pregnant. Yet somehow only one group is being pandered to. I wonder why….

But if they did release a glasses wearing pregnant emoji then I doubt people would be complaining that it was offensive to people with 20/20 vision. Or deaf people would be complaining that there wasn't a pregnant emoji with a hearing aid.

I thought the problem with trans people were that they were erasing women? The pregnant woman emoji is still very much there.

One aspect of transmen getting pregnant that that's a huge concern is that we don't yet understand is how testosterone will affect the baby.

Until research shows that testosterone doesn't harm the baby then the media celebration of trans men who get pregnant is in very poor taste.

Obviously trans men stop taking testosterone when trying to conceive, but there's plenty of evidence to suggest that having taken these experimental hormones in the past can still cause harm to the baby many years later.

In the tragic cases of the East European Olympic female athletes who were given testosterone to boost their performance, many had children with life-limiting abnormalities. Even ten or fifteen years later the testosterone these girls had taken for a short time still affected their bodies in unpredictable ways.

Women get pregnant and have babies. Only women can get pregnant. This is just trying to erase the word woman, Again!

WTF @PinkyU - "women" are a "social construct". I really have woken up in a parallel universe now.

I guess men, children, dogs, cats, elephants, horses, gorillas etc are all social constructs too. I mean, in reality they are all the same aren't they? It's only society that has made them different to each other...

@UnshakenNeedsStirring

Women get pregnant and have babies. Only women can get pregnant. This is just trying to erase the word woman, Again!

The pregnant woman emoji is still there. They are adding two new ones.

@ThanksIGotItInMorrisons

so many women on here being offended on behalf of trans men. ‘ it’s not for you, why is it bothering you, just don’t use it, it’s for trans men who have the right to have babies ‘ bla bla bla. It’s bullshit. Women get pregnant and have babies. End of. You cannot be a man and a woman. If you’re pregnant and having a baby your a woman. Only women get pregnant. A fat bellied man emoji is just that. I’ll keep on saying it. Women are the only sex biologically and scientifically and factually able to have babies. Doesn’t matter what gender you claim to be or prefer to be, it is a fact that women have babies. So you can fuck right off with all your sanctimonious crap about trans men and cis women , and pregnant people and chest feeding parents and all that crap. We are women. We breast feed. Stop trying to write us off and wipe us out. It’s not happening.

100%

@Sparklingbrook

That's a good point *@MooSakah*. they need to do all the hair colours/lengths maybe.

Yeah exactly and with glasses/without too

@UnshakenNeedsStirring

Women get pregnant and have babies. Only women can get pregnant. This is just trying to erase the word woman, Again!

It's not a word though it's just an emoji of a person with short hair who is pregnant. It's only because people have decided it's a man that it's causing drama. Call it a woman if you like.

@DownWhichOfLate of course some men can experience womanhood.

Womanhood is experience based, it’s internalised as well as externalised. A person born male can have their own internalised experience of womanhood and if “passing” can also experience external ideas of womanhood.

People born female who present in a stereotypically masculine way may experience external womanhood is much different way than an overtly feminine presenting person.

@CounsellorTroi

Interesting that a biological woman who identifies as non-binary or as male would do the most womanly act possible of becoming pregnant.

Do you think that a woman who cannot or does not want to become pregnant is less of a woman then?

I'm certain the poster means doing something that is exclusive to women by 'womanly act'. Same applies to periods etc. Doing something only women can do, then claiming you're a man/neither. I don't think it's necessary to be offended by the statement, you can tell what they're getting at.

@heathspeedwell

One aspect of transmen getting pregnant that that's a huge concern is that we don't yet understand is how testosterone will affect the baby.

Until research shows that testosterone doesn't harm the baby then the media celebration of trans men who get pregnant is in very poor taste.

Obviously trans men stop taking testosterone when trying to conceive, but there's plenty of evidence to suggest that having taken these experimental hormones in the past can still cause harm to the baby many years later.

In the tragic cases of the East European Olympic female athletes who were given testosterone to boost their performance, many had children with life-limiting abnormalities. Even ten or fifteen years later the testosterone these girls had taken for a short time still affected their bodies in unpredictable ways.

Gosh I didn’t know this. Obviously I know the lawsuits for detransitioners are starting. I just hope this is not going to be the next thalidomide?

Beam me up - worlds gone mad!

Oh I see, some men can experience "womanhood" @PinkyU.

I thought you were being provocative. I now realise that you are being ridiculous. Are you after a career in satire?