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To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 3 Cake ambush

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Notonthestairs · 25/01/2022 22:42

To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 2 http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4459992-To-be-really-enjoying-Boris-Johnsons-downfall-Part-2

And on it goes.

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Florianus · 26/01/2022 11:20

the80sweregreat:
Flo, our PM may be interviewed under caution

Or he may not be.

Yet you continue to play it down

Because there are more important things to worry about than civil servants misbehaving. Increasing tension in Ukraine, Covid rates no longer falling but starting to rise, the vaccination programme stalling, leaving us now behind much of western Europe instead of in front and with people going off on ski trips (the route for many of the original infections) with almost no precautions, the rise in food prices and the devastating rise in fuel prices about to occur, the ONE MILLION children currently off school - mostly kids who have already had their education interrupted ... excuse me, but I am not going to get my knickers in a twist over birthday cake or parties.

jgw1 · 26/01/2022 11:21

@DuncinToffee

Battling order for PMQ's
Do we think he will be asked about washing machines again, or will it be hoovers or fridges?
itsgettingweird · 26/01/2022 11:24

@DuncinToffee

Itsgettingweird PMQs is at 12 and you can watch it on BBC parliament and iPlayer and Sky News
Thanks. I've just switched to sky news.

Then was amazed at some seemingly intelligent man who owns a shop being interviewed and calling him a lovable rogue who people just like. So basically saying it's ok what he's done because people seem to like him and ...... oh yeah. The vaccine rollout. 🤦‍♀️

Florianus · 26/01/2022 11:24

@the80sweregreat

No, they will probably just issue a few fines and it'll be a whitewash inquiry , I've no doubt I just can't believe that the security there didn't say or do anything though. Can't trust any of them
Agreed. In fact I'm not even certain about the "few fines" - the police will need evidence, otherwise fixed penalty notices will be challenged in court.
DuncinToffee · 26/01/2022 11:26

jgw1 Do we think he will be asked about washing machines again, or will it be hoovers or fridges?

It was electric cars last week, fridges this week then, walk-in fridges Grin

itsgettingweird · 26/01/2022 11:29

@Florianus

the80sweregreat: Flo, our PM may be interviewed under caution

Or he may not be.

Yet you continue to play it down

Because there are more important things to worry about than civil servants misbehaving. Increasing tension in Ukraine, Covid rates no longer falling but starting to rise, the vaccination programme stalling, leaving us now behind much of western Europe instead of in front and with people going off on ski trips (the route for many of the original infections) with almost no precautions, the rise in food prices and the devastating rise in fuel prices about to occur, the ONE MILLION children currently off school - mostly kids who have already had their education interrupted ... excuse me, but I am not going to get my knickers in a twist over birthday cake or parties.

But all those things are being resided ver by people who have held these parties.

People who have broken the nations trust.

Why are a million children off school? Is that related to their party lines throughout. Remember the "children don't catch it or spread it" line?

Why has vaccine rollout stalled? Ever considered it's related to government and their messaging?

Why are cases on the rise? And if they are why are we getting all the "nothing to see here. Plan B worked. Ditch masks and go back to work. Come from holiday abroad and no need to test" again - this is their job.

You seem to be ignoring the relationship between the things you're worried about and who's job it is to be preventing those things. Who's job it is to be leading the country through this.

And the fact it's very hard to lead a country through a public health crisis if when they were at home, losing businesses, losing family members and not saying goodbye, their kids education has been affected - you are found to be having parties and get togethers against the laws and guidance you set and fining people for this.

jgw1 · 26/01/2022 11:34

@Florianus

the80sweregreat: Flo, our PM may be interviewed under caution

Or he may not be.

Yet you continue to play it down

Because there are more important things to worry about than civil servants misbehaving. Increasing tension in Ukraine, Covid rates no longer falling but starting to rise, the vaccination programme stalling, leaving us now behind much of western Europe instead of in front and with people going off on ski trips (the route for many of the original infections) with almost no precautions, the rise in food prices and the devastating rise in fuel prices about to occur, the ONE MILLION children currently off school - mostly kids who have already had their education interrupted ... excuse me, but I am not going to get my knickers in a twist over birthday cake or parties.

And yet the Prime Minister is wasting his time partying and trying to justify partying when the vast majority of control know what he did was morally and probably legally wrong.
Florianus · 26/01/2022 11:35

You seem to be ignoring the relationship between the things you're worried about and who's job it is to be preventing those things.

He would stand a better chance of getting on with all the important things I listed if he didn't have to keep putting up with all this nonsense about parties. It is out of proportion.

Blossomtoes · 26/01/2022 11:35

Because there are more important things to worry about than civil servants misbehaving. Increasing tension in Ukraine, Covid rates no longer falling but starting to rise, the vaccination programme stalling, leaving us now behind much of western Europe instead of in front and with people going off on ski trips (the route for many of the original infections) with almost no precautions, the rise in food prices and the devastating rise in fuel prices about to occur, the ONE MILLION children currently off school - mostly kids who have already had their education interrupted ... excuse me, but I am not going to get my knickers in a twist over birthday cake or parties.

All of which have happened on Johnson’s watch. And all of which he and his incompetent cabinet are unwilling or incapable of dealing with. If ever this country needed a strong, capable leader it’s now. He has to go.

merrymouse · 26/01/2022 11:37

He would stand a better chance of getting on with all the important things I listed if he had a brain transplant.

My dog would have a better chance of getting on with things.

Florianus · 26/01/2022 11:40

And yet the Prime Minister is wasting his time partying and trying to justify partying when the vast majority of control know what he did was morally and probably legally wrong.

Quite probably, but as one of the newspapers today pointed out, it is totally out of proportion to be so obsessed with parties. Fine him £50 quid if that is what is needed, but for goodness sake we need to move on as there is no guarantee that coronavirus won't return in some more virulent form, especially as precautions have almost certainly been removed too soon, and nothing seems to being done about the ruinous effect of schoolchildren missing school or of the colossal hike in living costs that is soon to occur. It is as if much of the nation is sleepwalking past these serious issues, just dreaming about cake and parties.

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Notonthestairs · 26/01/2022 11:42

The important issues haven't just popped up this month. They've been brewing for years with minimal interest from Johnson.

We've had a Conservative government since 2010. Even party gate hasn't been running that long.

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BonnesVacances · 26/01/2022 11:43

I think many of us have been trying to get rid of Bojo so we can get someone in charge who will deal with all those issues. Cakegate and partygate seem to be the most likely to achieve that. Hence the focus.

RobotValkyrie · 26/01/2022 11:44

He would stand a better chance of getting on with all the important things I listed if he didn't have to keep putting up with all this nonsense about parties. It is out of proportion.

Nonsense. He is an incompetent buffoon who can't be trusted to follow very simple rules. What makes you think he would be any good at handling any of the serious problems you listed? He sucks. The only things he seems good at is writing incendiary columns, and extra-marital affairs.

Party-gate isn't the problem, it is a symptom of how completely unreliable that man is. When someone tells you who they are, believe them. I believe Boris Johnson when he tells us, repeatedly, through his actions, that he is a liar who cares for nothing or no one but himself.
And his little gang of yes-men isn't any better than he is. Corrupt self-serving incompetent idiots the lot of them.

Crazykatie · 26/01/2022 11:44

This is a distraction the UK does not need they did hold a party with Wine and cake and singing wether they thought they were above the law I don’t know, more likely they didn’t think, either way the punishment is a fixed penalty for the organizer.

Several people were caught out and fined, so why spend many thousands on investigations, why don’t they just admit they were wrong, say sorry and pay the fine, a hundred or two and draw a line under the whole mess.

DuncinToffee · 26/01/2022 11:46

Out of proportion, so we should just be happy with a government that lies and breaks laws and let them get on with things without consequences?

Lord Finkelstein makes a good point
In Ukraine we are defending democratic norms, such as “there is one rule for both the government and the governed” and “those who make rules must follow them”. If we don’t defend these at home, we undermine the point of our Ukraine position.

ClaudineClare · 26/01/2022 11:47

I very much doubt that covid regulations were broken in "most homes" as claimed in that tweet, but we do know from the fact that 118,9632 fixed penalty fines have been issued that many did break the rules

Notwithstanding the slightly odd figure Florianus has quoted, there are around 265,508 burglaries each year in the UK. That doesn't mean it would be any less of a crime for Johnson to break into my house and steal my cake.

DePfeffoff · 26/01/2022 11:47

Because there are more important things to worry about than civil servants misbehaving

As you obviously know, but are trying to bury: this isn't about civil servants misbehaving. It is about the rule of law. The day we decide that is trivial is the day we are in deep, deep trouble.

Florianus · 26/01/2022 11:49

Blossomtoes:
All of which have happened on Johnson’s watch. And all of which he and his incompetent cabinet are unwilling or incapable of dealing with. If ever this country needed a strong, capable leader it’s now. He has to go.

Neither Sue Gray nor the Met will be reporting on the incompetence of Johnson's cabinet. This obsession with parties and cake is simply diverting attention away from more important issues.

jgw1 · 26/01/2022 11:49

@merrymouse

He would stand a better chance of getting on with all the important things I listed if he had a brain transplant.

My dog would have a better chance of getting on with things.

I feel that the squirrels in my garden have quite a good chance of getting on with it to, although they do seem to keep being ambushed by nuts.
Florianus · 26/01/2022 11:51

@DePfeffoff

Because there are more important things to worry about than civil servants misbehaving

As you obviously know, but are trying to bury: this isn't about civil servants misbehaving. It is about the rule of law. The day we decide that is trivial is the day we are in deep, deep trouble.

You might just as well argue the same about illegal parking - which also attracts FPNs of similar amount.
jgw1 · 26/01/2022 11:51

@Florianus

And yet the Prime Minister is wasting his time partying and trying to justify partying when the vast majority of control know what he did was morally and probably legally wrong.

Quite probably, but as one of the newspapers today pointed out, it is totally out of proportion to be so obsessed with parties. Fine him £50 quid if that is what is needed, but for goodness sake we need to move on as there is no guarantee that coronavirus won't return in some more virulent form, especially as precautions have almost certainly been removed too soon, and nothing seems to being done about the ruinous effect of schoolchildren missing school or of the colossal hike in living costs that is soon to occur. It is as if much of the nation is sleepwalking past these serious issues, just dreaming about cake and parties.

Moving on is very easily achieved.

Boris Johnson stands up at PMQs in 10 minutes time and apologises for breaking the law, as he should have done in December when this was first raised.

Roussette · 26/01/2022 11:52

He would stand a better chance of getting on with all the important things I listed if he didn't have to keep putting up with all this nonsense about parties. It is out of proportion

You're talking like we have a PM who knows what he's doing.

It's not out of proportion. How the government operates, comes from the top.
But yet we have a liar, someone who is facing criminality charges, someone who, by all accounts, can't see that he has ever done anything wrong.
We're up shit creek.
And by the way... I doubt he is spending all day batting this off, when he thinks he's done nothing wrong.

jgw1 · 26/01/2022 11:52

@ClaudineClare

I very much doubt that covid regulations were broken in "most homes" as claimed in that tweet, but we do know from the fact that 118,9632 fixed penalty fines have been issued that many did break the rules

Notwithstanding the slightly odd figure Florianus has quoted, there are around 265,508 burglaries each year in the UK. That doesn't mean it would be any less of a crime for Johnson to break into my house and steal my cake.

It wouldn't be a crime at all if he broke in for less than 25 minutes.
DePfeffoff · 26/01/2022 11:53

You might just as well argue the same about illegal parking - which also attracts FPNs of similar amount.

If Johnson decided he and his associates and all the No. 10 staff were above the law on parking but kept lying about it, then yes, the same principle would apply.

As I say, you know perfectly well that this is not about cake. In this instance, it is literally about people's lives.