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To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 3 Cake ambush

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Notonthestairs · 25/01/2022 22:42

To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 2 http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4459992-To-be-really-enjoying-Boris-Johnsons-downfall-Part-2

And on it goes.

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truthfullylying · 28/01/2022 07:38

@derxa

Pagel has no medical qualifications whatsoever
The best science is interdisciplinary. We can't only listen to one doctor. We need to understand problems from all aspects.

Clever people (medical professionals like whitty) understand this. Stupid people (looking at you, Johnson) don't and they dismiss people more intelligent and relevantly educated than themselves.

DePfeffoff · 28/01/2022 07:45

BJ has a reputation for bedding many women. How did he manage it

Power and/or notoriety. Some women are strangely drawn to both.

longwayoff · 28/01/2022 08:06

Power has an attraction all its own. Robert Maxwell visited our offices in his latter years and many of us found him completely repellent. One young woman though, was fascinated by him, yearned for an introduction and would have happily embraced a much closer acquaintance. Her eyes sparkled as she looked at him. He already had a reputation as a pig made flesh, was physically unattractive and his attraction for her - I asked her, as he had that aura that made sensible people want to run the other way - was money and the power it gave him. Beside him, Boris would look like a Prince.

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Notonthestairs · 28/01/2022 08:10

Latest report updates - apparently the report has been stripped of those No 10 parties being investigated by police. So the most serious potential offences will be out.

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Notonthestairs · 28/01/2022 08:14

David Allen Green suggesting that the police report will be unpublished so we'll never know the full account.

Which will leave DC in an interesting position - does he leak (further) what he knows.

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Notonthestairs · 28/01/2022 08:14

Published - not unpublished!

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Florianus · 28/01/2022 08:14

@merrymouse

Who knows? As you correctly say, it is speculation.

I know that they weren’t suggesting this was a reason for the delay, which is what you were inferring.

The Met have confirmed that they are the reason for the delay, as they want anything redacted that might prejudice their own investigation.
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Notonthestairs · 28/01/2022 08:15

Ignore me. I need coffee.

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SirChenjins · 28/01/2022 08:18

How convenient for them. Cressida will go whatever way the Govt tells her to.

Florianus · 28/01/2022 08:18

Merrymouse:
it was a complete lack of understanding of the most restrictive rules ever made in peacetime

I think the millions required to spend between 18 months and 2 years of their life in the armed services, thanks to the National Service legislation in force throughout the 1950s would disagree.

merrymouse · 28/01/2022 08:25

I think the millions required to spend between 18 months and 2 years of their life in the armed services, thanks to the National Service legislation in force throughout the 1950s would disagree

My Dad did National Service. He has talked about a lot over the years and I don’t think it was as traumatic as having to repeatedly explain to his wife why nobody was visiting her in hospital, or worrying about her care.

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Notonthestairs · 28/01/2022 08:28

It is very odd that only a few days ago we were told there was no problem publishing in full and now that's been reversed. Surely they would have known this days ago - why wait until now?

It plays in to the hands of those that will suggest it's a whitewash. And leaves the door open for more speculative/lurid suggestions.

Presumably they think it stop letters going in.

But the next question is whether the Met can keep the investigation under wraps. A slow leak of information (DC style) won't do them any favours either.

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Florianus · 28/01/2022 08:36

@merrymouse

I think the millions required to spend between 18 months and 2 years of their life in the armed services, thanks to the National Service legislation in force throughout the 1950s would disagree

My Dad did National Service. He has talked about a lot over the years and I don’t think it was as traumatic as having to repeatedly explain to his wife why nobody was visiting her in hospital, or worrying about her care.

Perhaps you might get a better understanding of the legislation if you looked at the fixed penalty charges. £50 if paid on time for breaking a covid law, £65 if paid on time for parking on a yellow line in London.

I am not saying that people should break covid laws, or park on yellow lines, but a sense of proportion is needed.

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 28/01/2022 08:37

Quelle surprise!
Cressy to the rescue

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 28/01/2022 08:40

I really think the Tory party would be crazy stupid to go into the next election with a leader so blatantly disliked and mistrusted.

I would never vote Tory anyway but surely all those 'light Tories' who switched to the Tories at the last election will turn their backs next time?

I don't understand why they are letting him hang on, except maybe they don't think the alternatives would do any better?

Alexandra2001 · 28/01/2022 08:40

@longwayoff

Power has an attraction all its own. Robert Maxwell visited our offices in his latter years and many of us found him completely repellent. One young woman though, was fascinated by him, yearned for an introduction and would have happily embraced a much closer acquaintance. Her eyes sparkled as she looked at him. He already had a reputation as a pig made flesh, was physically unattractive and his attraction for her - I asked her, as he had that aura that made sensible people want to run the other way - was money and the power it gave him. Beside him, Boris would look like a Prince.
I think you ve gone completely overboard with your description of Maxwell.
ItsSnowJokes · 28/01/2022 08:41

Its all another cover up. Civil service can say the police told us we can't publish in full, the police will then "investigate" fine a few lower grades a few hundred quid each, then never release their investigations and it will all go away.

I am disgusted that this is what has happened with this report.

Florianus · 28/01/2022 08:43

@Notonthestairs

David Allen Green suggesting that the police report will be unpublished so we'll never know the full account.

Which will leave DC in an interesting position - does he leak (further) what he knows.

I have not seen anything to suggest that the Met will publish their findings. They don't normally. If there is evidence of criminal activity, they pass the matter to the CPS, if not the matter is silently dropped.
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Notonthestairs · 28/01/2022 08:43

I think the idea of some is to move Johnson out before the next election - fresh face, clean hands etc - and let Johnson take the flak for the cost of living etc.
Whatever Johnson says I doubt he'll be in situ for the next election.

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ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 28/01/2022 08:44

@Florianus the yellow line analogy to downplay the harm of what they did would work if BoJo and other senior ministers had repeatedly stood up on TV and in parliament to tell people they must not park on yellow lines. That to park on yellow lines put everyone in danger in a public health emergency. And then he repeatedly parked on yellow lines.

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 28/01/2022 08:45

I guess we now know that the. Sue Gray report is a disaster for BJ. Not that we will ever see the bits that matter.

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Notonthestairs · 28/01/2022 08:45

@Florianus I take your point. We will never get to the bottom of what happened.

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Alexandra2001 · 28/01/2022 08:46

Perhaps you might get a better understanding of the legislation if you looked at the fixed penalty charges. £50 if paid on time for breaking a covid law, £65 if paid on time for parking on a yellow line in London

Rather disingenuous interpretation... as its £35 outside of London ... repeated breaches of CV law could result in a £6400 penalty and a £1000 fine for organising breaches, which were used, not least on students, many of whom were then kicked of their course and still had to pay 1000s in tuition fees.

DuncinToffee · 28/01/2022 08:47

Ian Murray on Sky News

This tells us there's items in the Sue Gray report that are now part of criminal investigations... serious information about law breaking

Florianus · 28/01/2022 08:49

@Notonthestairs

It is very odd that only a few days ago we were told there was no problem publishing in full and now that's been reversed. Surely they would have known this days ago - why wait until now?

It plays in to the hands of those that will suggest it's a whitewash. And leaves the door open for more speculative/lurid suggestions.

Presumably they think it stop letters going in.

But the next question is whether the Met can keep the investigation under wraps. A slow leak of information (DC style) won't do them any favours either.

We have Nick Coyle, the Labour MP, to thank for referring partygate to the Met and thus probably obfuscating matters.

Given that people seem to think Dame Cressida Dick is in the pay of the PM, it will probably not cast any light on Partygate, and looks as though it could derail Sue Gray's report. Far be it from me to wonder if Nick Coyle is in the pay of No.10 Shock