Page 23 | To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 3 Cake ambush

itsgettingweird · 27/01/2022 10:14

@Florianus

She was there to do a specific job in the PM’s flat. There was no need to enter the cabinet office.

I suggest you study the plans of the Nos.10-12 Downing Street.

The cabinet room is at the back of the ground floor.

The PM flat is first floor. There are plenty of staircases to the first floor before you get to the cabinet office.

There is no reason for someone employed by the PM to be wandering around the ground floor place of work eating cake.

None.

ClaudineClare · 27/01/2022 10:14

The cabinet office is in the same building as the flat. The rules didn't specify that the person carrying out the work had to remain in one room!

Any tradesperson with half a brain would realise that keeping well away from other people in the household they were working in was a good idea.

Did Lytle ensure she was two metres away from anyone else the whole time she was in the cabinet room as per Robert Jenrick's advice at the time:

“Work carried out in people’s homes, for example by tradespeople carrying out repairs and maintenance, can continue, provided that the tradesperson is well and has no symptoms.

“Again, it will be important to ensure that Public Health England guidelines, including maintaining a two-metre distance from any household occupants, are followed to ensure everyone’s safety."

truthfullylying · 27/01/2022 10:15

@Florianus

itsgettingweird: People stayed home whilst loved ones died alone because Boris mandated it. It literally was his decisions that created that.

It literally was not. It was the decision of parliament. You (and others) need to stop imagining that the UK has a presidential system in which the prime minister enacts legislation. Laws are enacted by parliament, guidance is promulgated by the Cabinet (in which the PM is just one voice of a large group).

This is also hilarious!

I think everyone knows the parliamentary system yes, which is how we know that these rules were drawn up by the PM, before ebing taken to parliament.

Nothing makes me happier if I am honest than watching Tory supporters talking total twaddle, it really makes my day!

He lied, everyone knows it, 62% of the electorate think he should resign, his reputation is getting more tarnished every time anyone opens their mouth, the Tories have no clue what to do next - absolutely brilliant stuff

Keep going @Florianus you are doing sterling work!!

itsgettingweird · 27/01/2022 10:22

Sky news reporting that the Pm is in his car going somewhere.

They say they know but can't tell us.

Anyone have any ideas?!

longwayoff · 27/01/2022 10:23

Can't believe, janiiejones that you're seriously suggesting anyone on here is taking any of your irrelevancies seriously. Dear me. Perhaps you know where Mr Fabricant is? Briefing you perhaps.

ClaudineClare · 27/01/2022 10:23

Florianus insists that they are not a Johnson supporter.

ClaudineClare · 27/01/2022 10:24

@itsgettingweird

Sky news reporting that the Pm is in his car going somewhere.

They say they know but can't tell us.

Anyone have any ideas?!

Going to see the Queen? Wishful thinking.

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 27/01/2022 10:26

Off for his police interview?

itsgettingweird · 27/01/2022 10:27

Is that who he hands his resignation into?

If so anyone near Buckingham palaces who can spy and confirm?!

Cornettoninja · 27/01/2022 10:28

If your stance is correct and factual it shouldn’t really require such hard work to defend should it?

Perhaps those intensely defending this latest scandal may like to consider the possibility they don’t fully appreciate the bigger picture. The letter and spirit of the law can differ (as it goes it appears both have been ignored here in various circumstances) and politicians and their staff should encompass both to a standard that matches the position they occupy not rely on arguing semantics when the real world definition was clear and opposite to the actions and behaviour they displayed.

The message conveyed to the public was clear and by and large was abided by. Redefining the circumstances after the fact puts their dishonesty and fluid relationship with the truth on display for scrutiny.

ClaudineClare · 27/01/2022 10:29

He looks terrible in this photo from the Guardian just now . Either the babies have kept him up all night or he has been on the sauce.

To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 3 Cake ambush

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 27/01/2022 10:31

They say they know but can't tell us
Injunction?

ClaudineClare · 27/01/2022 10:34

@itsgettingweird

Is that who he hands his resignation into?

If so anyone near Buckingham palaces who can spy and confirm?!

Queen is in Sandringham at the moment. The Guardian says the planned trip today will take Call-me Churchill several hundred miles away from London.

So I don't think he is off to resign, sadly.

Florianus · 27/01/2022 10:36

truthfullylying:
I think everyone knows the parliamentary system yes, which is how we know that these rules were drawn up by the PM, before ebing taken to parliament. Nothing makes me happier if I am honest than watching Tory supporters talking total twaddle, it really makes my day!

But you are revealing to us all that you don't seem to know how the British constitution works. And, worse than that, you seem to think that pointing out that it is not a presidential system is somehow supporting Johnson. Could I recommend a good lie down?

Florianus · 27/01/2022 10:39

@ClaudineClare

Florianus insists that they are not a Johnson supporter.

Yes, I'm afraid that certain very muddle-headed people imagine that pointing out facts is somehow supporting the odious liar.

Florianus · 27/01/2022 10:42

itsgetting weird:
The PM flat is first floor. There are plenty of staircases to the first floor before you get to the cabinet office.

Second floor, actually. The normal way in for residents, workmen and staff who don't want to be constantly photographed and questioned by journalists is via the rear entrance and the terrace, next to the cabinet office.

There is no reason for someone employed by the PM to be wandering around the ground floor place of work eating cake.

merrymouse · 27/01/2022 10:44

But you are revealing to us all that you don't seem to know how the British constitution works. And, worse than that, you seem to think that pointing out that it is not a presidential system is somehow supporting Johnson. Could I recommend a good lie down?

We all know that the job of the PM is to lead, particularly in times of crisis. I don’t think any PM would suggest this wasn’t the case.

If your argument has substance it should be possible to make it on its own merits. Suggesting others ‘have a lie down’ doesn’t do this.

ElizabethG81 · 27/01/2022 10:44

@itsgettingweird

Sky news reporting that the Pm is in his car going somewhere.

They say they know but can't tell us.

Anyone have any ideas?!

It's Holocaust Memorial Day so I'd guess he's going to an event linked to that.

itsgettingweird · 27/01/2022 10:45

The easiest way into my flat from the car park is through the back entrance - cough - next to and past the door of my neighbours flat.

It was still illegal for me to enter without any reason!

Unless to ambush her with cake is a reason?!

itsgettingweird · 27/01/2022 10:48

Good point Elizabeth.

One that probably should have crossed my mind.

They just made it sound like a national secret!

Florianus · 27/01/2022 10:52

@itsgettingweird

The easiest way into my flat from the car park is through the back entrance - cough - next to and past the door of my neighbours flat.

It was still illegal for me to enter without any reason!

Unless to ambush her with cake is a reason?!

It was illegal for you to walk past your neighbour's door? !!!

Florianus · 27/01/2022 10:54

merrymouse:
We all know that the job of the PM is to lead, particularly in times of crisis. I don’t think any PM would suggest this wasn’t the case.

Indeed so. But it is not the PM's job to pass laws. If it was, there would be no need for parliament.

the80sweregreat · 27/01/2022 10:58

Parliament voted through the laws about covid
It was Unprecedented times for a public health emergency.
You would think that the MPs and the PM in particular would abide by them.
It's not that hard to understand is it ?

Clavinova · 27/01/2022 11:02

ClaudineClare
Johnson sent a text to Lord Brownlow in November 2020, asking for the go ahead for Lytle to get on with the work...
That would seem to suggest Lytle's work hadn't yet started on the flat in June 2020

You haven't read your own link - it quite clearly says;

refurbishment work began in April 2020
and the November text was regarding fresh redecorations.

itsgettingweird
The PM flat...There are plenty of staircases to the first floor before you get to the cabinet office.

I seem to remember Dominic Cummings claiming that there was literally only one way up to the PM's flat (from his office).

itsgettingweird · 27/01/2022 11:05

No flo it's was illegal for me to enter.

The same way it wouldn't be illegal for the interior designer to walk past the cabinet office to get to the Pms flat - their place of work.

To enter and mix was. There was no need to enter the cabinet office which is part of the governments place of work. They weren't working there and they aren't elected nor unelected part of the government.