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ElizabethG81 · 27/01/2022 11:05

@itsgettingweird

Good point Elizabeth.

One that probably should have crossed my mind.

They just made it sound like a national secret!

I know, god knows why they can't just say. It's a bit odd that nothing seems to be being said about any memorial events today on the news. Wonder if they have to keep quiet for security issues, then just show it when it's already happened?

Clavinova · 27/01/2022 11:12

There was no need to enter the cabinet office which is part of the governments place of work. They weren't working there and they aren't elected nor unelected part of the government.

Lulu Lytle, who was working on the redecoration of the Downing Street flat, said she was present only “briefly” at the gathering on 19 June 2020 while waiting to talk to the Prime Minister about the work.

Non-essential shops were open on the 19th June 2020 - you could wander into John Lewis and talk to someone about curtains and wallpaper. Face masks were not mandatory until 24 July 2020.

Roussette · 27/01/2022 11:20

It suits those who want to oust Johnson to use people's grief and fury about covid restrictions to further their agenda

Of course it does. Because it's appalling behaviour.
BUT ... what about those people's grief and fury? Those ones I've pointed out on this thread? The guy who lost mother, father, sister in the 3 weeks that No.10 were partying?
Is he allowed 'grief and fury'?

Of course LuluL did not need to go into the Cabinet office! It's bizarre to claim that this is OK!
She was working on their flat. Not polishing the table in the cabinet office FFS

Roussette · 27/01/2022 11:24

I've said before that I find it bizarre that Carrie and a random decorator can set up a buffet in which is, in all essence, the most secret room in the whole of No.10
How sloppy is that? What about security?
What if LL was a Russian agent planting a listening device. I know I'm sounding dramatic, but I just find it beyond odd that anyone can go in there wandering around.
Especially bearing in mind JR-M's pious interview on Newsnight with Kirsty Wark going on and on about how secret cabinet meetings are.

Florianus · 27/01/2022 11:24

@the80sweregreat

Parliament voted through the laws about covid It was Unprecedented times for a public health emergency. You would think that the MPs and the PM in particular would abide by them. It's not that hard to understand is it ?

You would indeed, although I am not sure which MPs you refer to who didn't abide by the laws.

Roussette · 27/01/2022 11:24

JR-M was the one banging on about secrecy and cabinet meetings. Not KW

the80sweregreat · 27/01/2022 11:25

Your only talking about one party though Clav
What about the others ?
Plus rules in the shops were pretty strict still back then , it wasn't much fun shopping back then with arrows and rules and circles to stand in and some people were wearing masks long before Boris Johnson told them too.
Plus the supermarkets and a few other essential places were open the entire time with their own rules and arrows. You could buy home furnishings and things from the click and collect at some places too which tended to be mostly dealt with in one small area of the larger stores.
There were still rules about bubbles and the 2m thing too, it wasn't a free for all in june 2020!
People were still told to be cautious during the briefings as well.
I don't recall the rules being completely abandoned in june 2020 ?

ClaudineClare · 27/01/2022 11:26

You haven't read your own link - it quite clearly says

refurbishment work began in April 2020
and the November text was regarding fresh redecorations.

Lulu Lytle, who was working on the redecoration of the Downing Street flat, said she was present only “briefly” at the gathering on 19 June 2020 while waiting to talk to the Prime Minister about the work

Yes Clavinova, but it is not at all clear what "working on" means in this context. Was she there for the day to plan redecoration, was she overseeing something. Why was Johnson still oiling around for handouts in November 2020, why was LL's work still not complete?

None of this is clear, some of the timings seem off and none of us know the truth for sure, not even you, Clav.

I still think Lulu Lytle was there specifically for Call-me-Churchill's notparty. I may be wrong. I may be right. Let's see what Sue Gray has to say. Meanwhile, patronise away if it makes you feel good, I really couldn't care less.

Florianus · 27/01/2022 11:26

Roussette:
I just find it beyond odd that anyone can go in there wandering around.

I am certain that if you or I tried it, we would not get beyond the gates of Downing Street. In other words, I don't think "anyone" can go in there and wander around.

itsgettingweird · 27/01/2022 11:27

@Clavinova

There was no need to enter the cabinet office which is part of the governments place of work. They weren't working there and they aren't elected nor unelected part of the government.

Lulu Lytle, who was working on the redecoration of the Downing Street flat, said she was present only “briefly” at the gathering on 19 June 2020 while waiting to talk to the Prime Minister about the work.

Non-essential shops were open on the 19th June 2020 - you could wander into John Lewis and talk to someone about curtains and wallpaper. Face masks were not mandatory until 24 July 2020.

But she was present in his place of work.

She was working in his place of residence.

I don't agree that lay persons should be freely wandering around government offices. Especially waiting around where they could hear conversations.

And briefly is irrelevant. They were there. They shouldn't have been there. The party shouldn't have happened.

It's even more hilarious that Boris has admitted some things shouldn't have happened and yet people here are still defending him.

Roussette · 27/01/2022 11:28

Flo

Well ... a random decorator obviously can.

merrymouse · 27/01/2022 11:31

Lulu Lytle, who was working on the redecoration of the Downing Street flat, said she was present only “briefly” at the gathering on 19 June 2020 while waiting to talk to the Prime Minister about the work.

It was a gathering that had nothing to do with either her or the PM’s work or going to John Lewis.

Funerals would still be restricted for months and schools were closed.

But Bozza Bear couldn’t possibly get through the day without a little birthday tea in the cabinet office on his all important landmark 56th birthday.

So nice of all the little people to do their bit to keep infections down.

It was completely Even outside pandemics plenty if 56

merrymouse · 27/01/2022 11:34

It's even more hilarious that Boris has admitted some things shouldn't have happened and yet people here are still defending him.

A conspiracy theorists might suggest they were Labour plants trying to make him look bad, but it’s in Labour’s interests to keep him in office.

And Fabricant and Dorries demonstrate that plenty of MPs are still putting forward indefensible arguments.

merrymouse · 27/01/2022 11:36

Yes Clavinova, but it is not at all clear what "working on" means in this context

Maybe she was there to get paid?

Clavinova · 27/01/2022 11:36

But she was present in his place of work
She was working in his place of residence

I assume she was escorted down by someone else.

merrymouse · 27/01/2022 11:39

I assume she was escorted down by someone else.

“That’s great Carrie, so that is all settled and I just need the deposit”

“Oh erm er well, um wouldn’t you love to see the cabinet room…”

CSWife · 27/01/2022 11:39

The PM lives in the flat above number 11, not number ten. Probably all interconnected but quite worrying if tradespeople can wander uninvited downstairs

Blossomtoes · 27/01/2022 11:39

@the80sweregreat

Rory Stewart won't get anywhere near the premiership :( He is too outspoken about this.

Of course he won’t. He’s not even an MP any more. The fact that he has no skin in the game makes him all the more effective.

Clavinova · 27/01/2022 11:39

schools were closed

19 June 2020: Schoolchildren sing Happy Birthday to Boris Johnson.

news.sky.com/video/19-june-2020-schoolchildren-sing-happy-birthday-to-boris-johnson-12524667

I have to go out now anyway.

Roussette · 27/01/2022 11:44

Lord alive.

It was OUTSIDE socially distanced schoolchildren singing happy birthday. How any times do we have to say that?

SueSaid · 27/01/2022 11:47

@Roussette

Lord alive.

It was OUTSIDE socially distanced schoolchildren singing happy birthday. How any times do we have to say that?

The pp was responding to someone saying schools were closed. Context.

merrymouse · 27/01/2022 11:47

@Clavinova

schools were closed

19 June 2020: Schoolchildren sing Happy Birthday to Boris Johnson.

news.sky.com/video/19-june-2020-schoolchildren-sing-happy-birthday-to-boris-johnson-12524667

I have to go out now anyway.

Yes, you obviously don’t know what you are talking about.

A few primary classes were allowed to return before the end of the summer term, but most pupils did not return until September. (Before having to close again).

merrymouse · 27/01/2022 11:48

The pp was responding to someone saying schools were closed. Context.

The context being that you were wrong.

itsgettingweird · 27/01/2022 11:52

@Clavinova

But she was present in his place of work She was working in his place of residence

I assume she was escorted down by someone else.

Well that person shouldn't have. She doesn't work there.

She had no business being there. It was lockdown. It was a pandemic. We weren't to meet outside of households. We could attend work only.

And regardless of the semantics and the small 3 word parts of sentences you like to focus on. The point is Boris Johnson has misled the public.

He's admitted misleading the public. He denied any knowledge of meetings in gardens or get together as in the workplace. Yet then admitted being there. And admitted in hindsight it probably wasn't wise. Then admitted he should have said at the time they should have stopped it.

I'm enjoying arching people defend Boris for things he's actually admitted were mistakes.

Your more loyal to Boris than even "the rules don't apply to me" Boris is to himself

itsgettingweird · 27/01/2022 11:53

@Roussette

Lord alive.

It was OUTSIDE socially distanced schoolchildren singing happy birthday. How any times do we have to say that?

As many times as clav brings out one of the 5 c and p 'arguments' she has left 🤣