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To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 3 Cake ambush

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Notonthestairs · 25/01/2022 22:42

To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 2 http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4459992-To-be-really-enjoying-Boris-Johnsons-downfall-Part-2

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itsgettingweird · 27/01/2022 08:43

@the80sweregreat

Peter Bone is defending him now on GM tv. He is totally deluded. He is just going on about the vaccine etc. Rory Stewart has put the boot in though. It's Unbelievable that an MP can defend rule breaking to be honest when everyone else had to follow it
I was routing for Rory Stewart at the leadership election.

Just something about him I like.

Piggywaspushed · 27/01/2022 08:44

@merrymouse

BJ partying or not wouldn't change anyone's death

The problem is that it does.

People were obviously always going to die in 2020 and 2021, young and old and for a variety of reasons, expected and unexpected.

However, the rules meant that many spent months with limited contact with family and friends. This was partly because they were told that we were all in it together and needed to protect the NHS and save lives, partly because of fear, and partly because the rules were being enforced.

Now people are left questioning whether they did the right thing. If there was a loop hole for interior designers visiting your place of work, for 100s of people in ‘work bubbles’, was all that pain and loneliness unnecessary?

People are just beginning to process what happened, and now we find Johnson didn’t really mean what he was saying?

All that aside, we actually have no idea whether any attendees caught covid and passed it onwards to someone very vulnerable through the chain of transmission . This was exactly why gatherings were banned.
AdamRyan · 27/01/2022 08:44

To then have to live with possible regret that you didn't break the rules is awful.
Exactly. People were so conflicted at the time, mostly doing what was right for society as a whole, not for them personally. Now this soulless government is making it sound like following the rules was for mugs.
Most people were selfless and should be recognised for that.
I'm disgusted by the government

the80sweregreat · 27/01/2022 08:45

Jacob Rees mogg said that some of the rules were too rigid I believe?
He is the only one I can remember saying this though and can't remember in which context or when.

the80sweregreat · 27/01/2022 08:47

Rory Stewart won't get anywhere near the premiership :(
He is too outspoken about this.

Florianus · 27/01/2022 08:47

[quote Notonthestairs]www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/25/covid-rules-broken-homes-claims-mp-defending-boris-johnson-partygate/[/quote]
That says rules were broken "in most homes", not that everyone broke the rules.

ConstanceL · 27/01/2022 08:48

@ClaudineClare

I half-heard some Tory chump on LBC last night who was saying that if Johnson had still be married to Marina Wheeler he would not have acted in the way he did in relation to the evacuation of the animals, Partygate and Wallpapergate because she was a stabilising influence on him, unlike Carrie Johnson.

So, of course, it is all the woman's fault for forcing him to make unwise decisions. A 57 year old man can't possibly be responsible for his own actions.Angry

Sadly this Tory chump is probably right though, Johnson does seem unduly influenced by his current wife, you can see this by the people he has surrounded himself with, who are largely her cronies. Not saying that it's right that a 57 year old man can't make his own decisions, but this is a particularly odious 57 year old man whose always been led by what's between his legs, not what's between his ears. No-one can honestly think Carrie is with him for his personality or looks, she has clearly taken one for the team to move her associates into positions of power.
Roussette · 27/01/2022 08:48

Jacob Rees mogg said that some of the rules were too rigid I believe?

Well.... bearing in mind he said that the poor Grenfell victims who followed the Fire service advice had no common sense, I'm surprised anyone listens to what that horrible man says

I0NA · 27/01/2022 08:48

@merrymouse

BJ partying or not wouldn't change anyone's death

The problem is that it does.

People were obviously always going to die in 2020 and 2021, young and old and for a variety of reasons, expected and unexpected.

However, the rules meant that many spent months with limited contact with family and friends. This was partly because they were told that we were all in it together and needed to protect the NHS and save lives, partly because of fear, and partly because the rules were being enforced.

Now people are left questioning whether they did the right thing. If there was a loop hole for interior designers visiting your place of work, for 100s of people in ‘work bubbles’, was all that pain and loneliness unnecessary?

People are just beginning to process what happened, and now we find Johnson didn’t really mean what he was saying?

This. I meet a lot of people in my job and not a day goes by without some random person I have never met before telling me a heartbreaking story of a loved one who died and they couldn’t visit in hospital / a nursing home or other effects of the lockdown rules. Of their guilt that their loved one died alone .

Their sadness at not being allowed to have their mother with them when they gave birth and their anger that the distressing complications that ensued would not have happened if their mother had been there to advocate for them.

Yesterday I spoke to a vicar who feels guilty and upset that he enforced rules about the numbers at funerals to grieving families. He said he was afraid they would shut down the churches again if they were caught “breaking the rules” .

The woman who told me they were not allowed to sing Hymns or say prayers ( an important part of their faith ) at her mothers graveside as 20 of them stood 2 meters apart . She wonders why Boris’s staff in an enclosed room were allowed to sing happy birthday. She regrets that they didn’t allow the grandchildren to stand far away at the edge of the graveyard to watch the funeral from afar - but they were told it was against the rules.

All these ordinary “ little people “ up and down the country - there are millions of them. They are wondering if they are fools for not breaking the rules that now, we are told, either didn’t exist or were flexible if you had a good enough reason - such at nice weather or cake.

merrymouse · 27/01/2022 08:50

All that aside, we actually have no idea whether any attendees caught covid and passed it onwards to someone very vulnerable through the chain of transmission . This was exactly why gatherings were banned.

Given the culture of the place - interior designer pops in, Carrie doesn’t follow the social distancing rules in September despite living in Covid central - it seems likely that this happened.

Florianus · 27/01/2022 08:51

Rory Stewart won't get anywhere near the premiership

Indeed. I fear that not being an MP could be a disadvantage. Wink

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Notonthestairs · 27/01/2022 08:51

"That says rules were broken "in most homes", not that everyone broke the rules."

Well that's alright then. Except it's not true.

The party of law & order.

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the80sweregreat · 27/01/2022 08:53

Even I find it hard to believe that Carrie has actually married and had two children with Boris Johnson just so she can help her friends obtain some money or kudos ! Blimey , IF that is true then she must be extremely loyal to her friends!!

AdamRyan · 27/01/2022 08:53

That says rules were broken "in most homes", not that everyone broke the rules.
Well. I think there's also a degree of how the rules are broken.
There's a big difference between 2 people going for a socially distanced walk miles away from anyone else (illegal at the height of lockdown) and having a gathering of 10 people indoors to eat cake (illegal until "rule of 6" lifted)
I hate this narrative of "oh most people broke the rules so flagrant breaches were fine".
No. They never were. People were arrested and fined for all kinds of minor breaches.

the80sweregreat · 27/01/2022 08:55

I thought that Rory Stewart was an MP, but glad to be corrected !
I don't know every single MP flo.
I haven't heard Rory on the tv for a while.

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Notonthestairs · 27/01/2022 08:56

The idea that an MP would use "other people were doing it too" as an argument to support the PM breaking the law should be laughable to all but the most fervent supporters.

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CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 27/01/2022 08:57

@Roussette

Jacob Rees mogg said that some of the rules were too rigid I believe?

Well.... bearing in mind he said that the poor Grenfell victims who followed the Fire service advice had no common sense, I'm surprised anyone listens to what that horrible man says

Yes - this whole new line of "it's your fault if you stuck to the rules" is really very unpleasant in the same vein as the Grenfell/common sense comments.

The tactic now is clearly to delay, delay, delay and hope that fatigue sets in. Also strongly suspect that govt is pulling out all the stops to redact/remove as much as they can from the Gray report. Even delaying until after the weekend takes some of the sting out of it.

Was pondering about why commentators were so sure that the Gray report was imminent yesterday... I guess as her employer/manager, govt could have ordered Sue Gray not to publish? Or could they have got an injunction? Hmm.

Roussette · 27/01/2022 08:57

I went to a discussion thing with Rory Stewart and Jess Phillips. I have to say, they were both really good. Rory is very knowledgeable. Jess is so spot on with her violence against women crusade

merrymouse · 27/01/2022 08:58

metro.co.uk/2022/01/26/mp-says-boris-johnson-should-stay-in-power-as-hes-not-robbed-a-bank-15993896/

This has already been posted, but for those who apparently missed it.

Florianus · 27/01/2022 08:58

@Notonthestairs

"That says rules were broken "in most homes", not that everyone broke the rules."

Well that's alright then. Except it's not true.

The party of law & order.

I agree that it is not true, but trying to rebut one falsehood with another ("some MP's have suggested everyone was breaking the law") just weakens your point. It is why I keep emphasising the need for accuracy and to avoid exaggeration.
Kendodd · 27/01/2022 08:59

I'm not enjoying it.

Johnson and Co have done enormous damage to the whole country and anyone who voted for him should hang their heads in shame.

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Notonthestairs · 27/01/2022 08:59

Noted.

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the80sweregreat · 27/01/2022 09:00

It's straw clutching isn't it?
Maybe Peter Bone and others defending all this rule breaking should listen to the many tv briefings on a loop ( especially from March to summer 2020) where it was ' stay at home ' protect the NHS , bubbles , tiers , fines , snitch on your neighbours having parties , it went on forever!
Why is it now all our fault then for listening to this advice to stop others dying ?

SueSaid · 27/01/2022 09:00

There is lots of projecting going on on social media. Of course it is easier to channel any grief and anger on to Johnson. The fact is there are 2 separate things going on, the necessary restrictions to reduce risk of spread in hospitals and protect vulnerable people and the allowed eating and drinking in the workplace. Again, if any of the work events broke these rules fine, hold those present to account but we can't just pass judgement until we have the actual facts.

It suits those who want to oust Johnson to use people's grief and fury about covid restrictions to further their agenda.