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To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 3 Cake ambush

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Notonthestairs · 25/01/2022 22:42

To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 2 http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4459992-To-be-really-enjoying-Boris-Johnsons-downfall-Part-2

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CSWife · 26/01/2022 23:00

Is this seriously going to to drag on until Monday? FFS.

Peregrina · 26/01/2022 23:02

A funeral is like a wedding.

I don't agree with you; it's much more like a birth. A one off event.

But perhaps I should have cleared off to Disney World, or gatecrashed a Johnson party?

Blossomtoes · 26/01/2022 23:08

@CSWife

Is this seriously going to to drag on until Monday? FFS.
Looks that way. Even then it could be delayed.

Sir Lindsay Hoyle told MPs during points of order that he was committed to ensuring that they get time to read the findings before Mr Johnson takes questions in the chamber. “The Prime Minister has promised to make a statement,” he said. “What I would expect is that members will be able to see the report and I would hope time will be given for members to digest that. I’m more than happy to adjourn.”

Prescottdanni123 · 26/01/2022 23:11

@merrymouse

That is providing that it is the truth. At the moment, people want Boris gone that desperately that they'll say anything to try to bring him down.

I'll believe Pen Farthing over anyone working for the government. Everything a true hero should be. I'm not going to get in a row about this anymore on here. Nowzad charity and their supporters know what happened and, unfortunately for the gov, the truth always comes out in the wash, eventually.

merrymouse · 26/01/2022 23:22

That is providing that it is the truth. At the moment, people want Boris gone that desperately that they'll say anything to try to bring him down.

Even if you think the charity is completely blameless, it is clear that Johnson’s staff thought they were acting in line with his wishes. He has then tried to distance himself from what happened. That is a failure of leadership.

ancientgran · 26/01/2022 23:26

Didn't Pen Farthing say his staff all had to get out before the troops left as they would be in danger because of being educated/women/working for a foreigner. Didn't they get left behind but the Taliban did nothing to them and they were allowed to leave?

I don't think all the translators and embassy guards have been allowed to just leave like that.

People are saying refugees would have been on his plane, 250 I think is quoted, but he had 68 staff to get out and their families so how many not connected to his organisation would actually have got on that plane? A handful at most.

They should have waited their turn.

ancientgran · 26/01/2022 23:30

@twelly

There was limited time and resources - a lot of time was taken up by military personal and civil servants dealing with this issue. It was a distraction - we left people who faced almost certain death and that is what should have been the focus. If Boris Johnson contributed to this mess and confusion then that is a far worse action than any breaking of covid regulations
Yes and it wasn't just the translators and embassy guards etc. Those people had children and what has happened to them?
Prescottdanni123 · 26/01/2022 23:39

@ancientgran

His staff abd their families numbered 68 in total. They were classed as refugees too. That still leaves nearly 200 seats for other refugees.

He didn't want to leave his staff behind. By the time they got into the airport, they had already been held at gunpoint by Taliban once. When they finally got inside, they were told that US had cancelled visas, meaning only British passport holders could leave. Pen could have left there and then, but he opted to escprt his staff and their families home. This involved driving through the aftermath of a bombing, getting caught up in a tear gas attack and having their convoy shot at. His staff then convinced him to leave the following day because it wasn't safe for him to stay, and his presence could put them in danger too.

The Taliban were a threat to his staff because they had worked for an ex marine. Nothing bad happened to them once Pen left because they laid low and made a dash for the Pakistan border by road as soon as they were able too. Details on how they managed this feat haven't emerged yet but we'll probably find out eventually. I do remember supporters being asked to go dark on social media though because the slightest rumour of where his staff were or what they were doing could put them at serious risk.

If they had stayed, what kind of life would they have led? Especially the women. The first fully qualified vets of Afghanistan. They eouldn't have been allowed to work. And as I said before, the Taliban were a threat to them.

I actually follow one of these female vets on twitter. I can give you her name if you want to to message her and tell her that she shouldn't be over here.

Roussette · 27/01/2022 06:47

@derxa I know you know, and we both know that, we've both been through it BUT
for instance, in the case of this guy, he could not see his mother, his father or his sister who all died alone after contracting covid. One he saw I think on an iPad, but that was it. How horrible.

Then there's the funeral... because it was a rule of 6, they didn't have a proper one because they could not bear to not have their family round them to comfort them, so they could grieve. You have a funeral to think about, to relive, they just have painful memories.

I know we all blame someone when these tragedies happen but this is on a different level. To not be at a loved one's side in hospital when the end is near, or be with your family during a funeral... whilst others are partying is one step too far.

It's not a Disney World. To spend day after day with a close one as they are nearing the end of their life is something we expect to be able to do. I've done it. Yes I was not there when my Mum took her last breath, but that's how it is, very normal I'm told. I'd held her just before.
To have been deprived of those days and weeks because of the 'rules' and then to hear... oh actually, others were in groups doing what they want... well... I don't know how it would've affected me.

You need to look at some of the footage out there of people talking of being deprived of this, and their loved ones dying a lonely death.

derxa · 27/01/2022 06:53

[quote Roussette]@derxa I know you know, and we both know that, we've both been through it BUT
for instance, in the case of this guy, he could not see his mother, his father or his sister who all died alone after contracting covid. One he saw I think on an iPad, but that was it. How horrible.

Then there's the funeral... because it was a rule of 6, they didn't have a proper one because they could not bear to not have their family round them to comfort them, so they could grieve. You have a funeral to think about, to relive, they just have painful memories.

I know we all blame someone when these tragedies happen but this is on a different level. To not be at a loved one's side in hospital when the end is near, or be with your family during a funeral... whilst others are partying is one step too far.

It's not a Disney World. To spend day after day with a close one as they are nearing the end of their life is something we expect to be able to do. I've done it. Yes I was not there when my Mum took her last breath, but that's how it is, very normal I'm told. I'd held her just before.
To have been deprived of those days and weeks because of the 'rules' and then to hear... oh actually, others were in groups doing what they want... well... I don't know how it would've affected me.

You need to look at some of the footage out there of people talking of being deprived of this, and their loved ones dying a lonely death.[/quote]
Flowers I understand all of that. I deeply regret putting my grief publicly on here only to be told I'm 'crass' I think I'll ask for my postings to be deleted. All the best Roussette

Roussette · 27/01/2022 06:55

All the best to you too derxa. We just carry on don't we... Flowers

derxa · 27/01/2022 07:01

@Roussette

All the best to you too derxa. We just carry on don't we... Flowers
That's it
ClaudineClare · 27/01/2022 07:19

I half-heard some Tory chump on LBC last night who was saying that if Johnson had still be married to Marina Wheeler he would not have acted in the way he did in relation to the evacuation of the animals, Partygate and Wallpapergate because she was a stabilising influence on him, unlike Carrie Johnson.

So, of course, it is all the woman's fault for forcing him to make unwise decisions. A 57 year old man can't possibly be responsible for his own actions.Angry

truthfullylying · 27/01/2022 07:19

some Tory chump so many to choose from Grin

truthfullylying · 27/01/2022 07:22

I am so sorry for those who are having their grief and loss made worse by all this government carry-on Flowers

To be told by these disgusting Tory MPs that the rules were not necessary, after being told by their own party these rules were absolutely necessary is an absolute insult. I feel insulted and I didn't even lose anyone.

Roussette · 27/01/2022 07:25

Claudine

That's pathetic, isn't it, he's a grown man FFS. If he's so led by the women he marries, he shouldn't be in the job.
I bet Carrie is wondering where it all went wrong. She had that wedding to be a wife at the G7 in Cornwall with the other Europeans ... next minute he might be out and shamed.

Alexandra2001 · 27/01/2022 07:28

My brother died at 32. I was 460 miles away when his life support was switched off. If I had been present at that event it wouldn't have changed a thing. People now seem to live in Disney world

Thats so tragic for you and your family.

However, my mum died in 2016, being able to be with her and her knowing she was loved and cared for was something that eased the grief of her death, her smile when she would see her grandchild would light up the room.
If she had died without her family and her being confused and thinking no one loved her would have been absolutely heart breaking.

BJ partying or not wouldn't change anyone's death but it does show he only cares for his own pleasure and people like are not good leaders nor make good decisions, its all about them.

the80sweregreat · 27/01/2022 07:29

Of course it was a woman controlling a man who has always done what he likes anyway 🙄
It's a typical man reaction isn't it ? Blame the woman. The man who sent the original email about one of the many gatherings , was his wife cheering him on to break the rules then ? I doubt it somehow.
I suppose that people will put the blame on Carrie:(

Alexandra2001 · 27/01/2022 07:31

Men have been blaming women since the Garden of Eden.

merrymouse · 27/01/2022 07:35

next minute he might be out and shamed.

He’ll get another column or he will be hired by GB news or LBC.

He has been shamed many tunes before.

Roussette · 27/01/2022 07:39

Shamed before, yes.
But he will become more irrelevant. He will always have an income stream from newspaper columns etc, but he won't be remembered for being an even half decent PM. Partygate will follow him round.

the80sweregreat · 27/01/2022 07:43

I agree he will find another job , but if he joins LBC radio he might end up having to argue with the likes of Fogerty and O Brian and even Andrew Castle.
Other presenters might be a bit more welcoming ( his sister )

eastegg · 27/01/2022 07:44

@Notonthestairs

Gaslighting tip: they fixate on irrelevant details. They make tiny distinctions that have nothing to do with the wider rules. Cake. Parties. Length of visit. All deflection. It was an ILLEGAL GATHERING BY THEIR OWN RULES. They know that. You know that. The police know that... -Stephen McGann.
Exactly! Some tosser from the government defended the birthday party by saying ‘it was a gathering of his own staff in his own offices’ emphasising the ‘own’ bit. Apparently forgetting that everyone wasn’t allowed to see their own wider family in their own homes, or visit their own dying relative in hospital, etc.

It’s breathtakingly arrogant, trying to rewrite what the rules were that they made and we followed.

Florianus · 27/01/2022 07:47

Roussette:
*To spend day after day with a close one as they are nearing the end of their life is something we expect to be able to do.^

Please don't say "we" as if you have been appointed to speak for the nation. I have sat with relatives in hospital at the end of life, and it is a deeply unpleasant experience, with hospital chaplains hissing into your ear that your mother can undoubtedly hear you despite being in a chemically induced coma and intubated up to the eyeballs. Death, especially in hospital, is often a deeply unpleasant experience - I would much rather remember relatives as they once were.

guinnessguzzler · 27/01/2022 07:49

@the80sweregreat

I agree he will find another job , but if he joins LBC radio he might end up having to argue with the likes of Fogerty and O Brian and even Andrew Castle. Other presenters might be a bit more welcoming ( his sister )
Sibling dynamics in that family are fascinating. Do they all genuinely get along? The utter mess that is BJ would tend to suggest serious family dysfunction growing up so I do find it odd how they seem to rally round him.