Horrified at 7month old in pizza express with screen

[MadeinSW3]

I went for lunch today at pizza express, there was a couple giving their ?7month old a bottle with a screen propped up with something Disney to watch. They then plopped baby into high chair and put something else on during whole time at the stable. How can people be so stupid! The baby was looking around elsewhere for something more interesting.

@CollieCali sounds like a load of shit.

Having never propped a screen up in front of a baby, I'm not needing to defend my own parenting choices.

However, I'm returning to the thread to award gold medals to those pps with Olympic-standard skills in the high and long jump. It is a truly enormous leap to link parents who use a screen in moderation, including as a distraction for a short time in a restaurant as in the OP, or need support, or aren't as educated, fortunate or monied as you, to those who neglect, abuse and kill their children. It is also disrespectful to the experiences and memories of those real children.

Remember, we only see a snapshot when we see something like the OP saw in the restaurant. We don't see the other 23 hours or so of their parenting that day, the rest of the week, the month, the year or the decades. I am sure I have made mistakes in public and in private during my many years as a parent. Apart from at the extremes where we all need to sit up and take notice and action, we really shouldn't judge, look down on and mock, because we are not walking in the shoes of others.

If you can't help, accept or understand, then don't hinder - just look away and go about your own business. Parenting can be a tough job. We all do it differently and we all need support.

The working class are often seen to be culturally deprived

So yes, they can be one in the same

Maybe look up cultural deprivation theory, it holds that some groups, such as the lower social classes, have inferior norms, values, skills and knowledge which prevent them from achieving in education. ... Working class children are more concerned with Immediate Gratification rather than deferred gratification.

This then travels through to their parenting abilities and the standards of parenting they aspire to achieve

As a working class parent. I can assure you that everything you just wrote there is generalised bullshit, outdated, and an attempt to stereotype and undermine the parenting of working class people in a way that just isn't relevant in 2022. There is nothing 'deprived' about working class families, you've just pulled a bit of random information from the internet to back up your classist comments earlier in the thread.

[quote CollieCali]@BABAHOTEL

Well yes

Crayons are better than a screen

No wonder you needed to go to a parenting class with views like that

FYI

'Exposure to screens reduces babies' ability to read human emotion and control their frustration. It also detracts from activities that help boost their brain power, like play and interacting with other children'

Whereas

Colouring in is an excellent way for children to express themselves, develop their motor skills, relax and enjoy quality time with other family members. ... These are the benefits of colouring in for children
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@CollieCali I didn't go to parenting classes, what made you decide I did?? How very very odd!

[quote CollieCali]@BABAHOTEL

Well yes

Crayons are better than a screen

No wonder you needed to go to a parenting class with views like that

FYI

'Exposure to screens reduces babies' ability to read human emotion and control their frustration. It also detracts from activities that help boost their brain power, like play and interacting with other children'

Whereas

Colouring in is an excellent way for children to express themselves, develop their motor skills, relax and enjoy quality time with other family members. ... These are the benefits of colouring in for children
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Do you often just make things up? Is it something you do? Like I've been to parenting classes?

@CollieCali yes, many researched and well documented theories are in fact a load of shit.

I am working class, I've lived it. I'm not culturally deprived and nor is my child.

[quote CollieCali]@BABAHOTEL

Apologies thought you were one who said they'd been to one

Although clearly you could do with one since you seem very ignorant as to what's good and bad for children in general
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So fucking PA! I'm sorry, I'm totally wrong, it wasn't the case BUT it's still your fault!

And you've copied and pasted straight from Wikipedia I see.

If you can't help, accept or understand, then don't hinder - just look away and go about your own business. Parenting can be a tough job. We all do it differently and we all need support

This reminds me of Instagram threads where they say things like “keep it up mama! You’re doing a great job”

Not everyone is doing a great job. Not everyone is doing their best. You can’t tell from 30 mins in a restaurant but it’s irresponsible to just say “if you don’t agree, look the other way!”
Or blindly tell parents they are doing a good job

@Waxonwaxoff0

And you've copied and pasted straight from Wikipedia I see.

😂

Wikipedia is obviously a well know website to get your parenting skills from!

Fwiw I work in a school in an incredibly deprived area 100% catchment from one of the roughest estates in the country so nobody is wealthy. I'm absolutely in awe of many of the parents, especially some of those with dc with ASN providing their dc with love and opportunities to the best of their (financial) ability. Their dc absolutely get trips to pizza restaurants, to the theatre, holidays because they prioritise this. The neglected dc, which are far more visible than they would be at DC's very middle class school, don't get that. Their parents don't prioritise their money that way, they probably don't have screen either. Wealthier neglectful parents will still take their dc out as it's not a choice between them or their child when it comes to the money. It doesn't make a dent in their lifestyle to buy new clothes so the children perhaps don't look outwardly neglected. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen just that nobody spots it

@Giraffesandbottoms

If you can't help, accept or understand, then don't hinder - just look away and go about your own business. Parenting can be a tough job. We all do it differently and we all need support

This reminds me of Instagram threads where they say things like “keep it up mama! You’re doing a great job”

Not everyone is doing a great job. Not everyone is doing their best. You can’t tell from 30 mins in a restaurant but it’s irresponsible to just say “if you don’t agree, look the other way!”
Or blindly tell parents they are doing a good job

I'm not on Instagram, so I wouldn't know.

And that's not what I said.

@CollieCali what's with the personal attacks? You have absolutely no idea who I am therefore why comment on my education? I went to uni, thanks, got a first in my degree which I'm bloody proud of. As did my eldest 2 'deprived, uneducated, neglected, working class' kids.

Also I've reported you.

[quote KurtWilde]@CollieCali what's with the personal attacks? You have absolutely no idea who I am therefore why comment on my education? I went to uni, thanks, got a first in my degree which I'm bloody proud of. As did my eldest 2 'deprived, uneducated, neglected, working class' kids.

Also I've reported you. [/quote]
She's personally attacked me also, but I've not reported I think it's great that people can see what she's written, shows her for what she is.

Apologies thought you were one who said they'd been to one

I'm the PP who has been to council-run parenting classes.

@BABAHOTEL they're out in force on this thread, I'm surprised @MNHQ hasn't pulled it tbh!

I think enough's enough tbh. Can't believe some of the things that have been posted on this thread.

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