Does shone rhyme with dawn or zone?

[youdialwetile]

DD has been told she's saying it wrong - may be both as used in different places?

When people say that "shorn" and "dawn" rhyme, it feels as odd as if someone insisted that "three" and "France" start with the same sound. I mean, I know that some people pronounce them the same, but it's jarring to think that they don't even have a mental concept of the difference.

@Phrowzunn

😂 I can’t cope with people thinking ‘horn’ and ‘corn’ rhyme with ‘dawn’..?! Also, in what universe does ‘one’ rhyme with ‘gone’?!

Where are you from? In the SE England, or at least for every person I know here, that's exactly how we speak

@SleepingStandingUp

Neither.

Dawn, Horn, Lawn
Zone, Phone, Moan
Shone, Gone, One,

Yes this

I have lived in the South, the Midlands and now the North.

Where on earth do these shone/one rhymers live

In all the areas that you have mentioned. I have lived in them too.

@DaisyWaldron

When people say that "shorn" and "dawn" rhyme, it feels as odd as if someone insisted that "three" and "France" start with the same sound. I mean, I know that some people pronounce them the same, but it's jarring to think that they don't even have a mental concept of the difference.

can you do the phonics for them?

www.wordreference.com/enfr/shorn

Here you can find "shorn" in loads of different pronunciations (drop down menu at the top).

www.wordreference.com/enfr/shone

And here is "shone".

www.wordreference.com/enfr/one

And here is one!

In the US shone and dawn would rhyme, also maybe one and gone depending on the accent.

For me (Southern UK) shone rhymes with on. Zone rhymes with cone/home. One does not rhyme with gone, for me it rhymes with gun!

In my accent (Scottish)

Dawn, Lawn, Gone, Shone
Zone, Phone, Moan
One, Won, Sun, Bun

All this talk of people saying that “gone” is like “one with a g in front” just put me in mind of Mrs Doyle “Have a cup of tea father- gwan, gwan, gwan, gwan!”

I am from South Yorkshire and I pronounce one to rhyme with gone. My partner is from London/Surrey and we have been together for over 10 years, and I have never noticed a difference in the way we pronounce the word one, although I’ve obviously noticed plenty of other differences in the way we pronounce things over the years.

Prompted by this thread I asked him to say ‘one and gone’ to test if they rhymed in his accent and it turns out they don’t, he pronounces one more like ‘wun’ as many on this thread do.

When I was actively listening out for the difference, I could hear it, but I have never noticed it before in the whole time we’ve been together, so to all those who are really shocked to discover the other way of pronouncing one to theirs(on either side of the debate), you’ve probably heard people pronounce it the other way loads of times and just never actually noticed it because the difference is actually a lot less stark when said out loud than when you see it written down like on this thread

[quote GaryLurcher19]@TurkeyRoastvBubbleandSqueek

Sorry but "a 'sh" makes more sense than "an 'sh"

I certainly don't pronounce 'sh' with an 'e' sound first. That's a feature of Spanish, not English.

Saying "an 'sh" is awkward and requires a guttural stop and start between the 'n' and the 's'. That guttural stop could even be the 'e' sound you're imagining.

Saying "a 'sh" is easier and more natural. It requires no 'e' insert.[/quote]
Lol, sorry @GaryLurcher19. I didn't explain myself very well at all! You are completely right that the "sh" sound should always be preceeded by an "a", which I think I tried to explain later on when I gave examples of words like "a squirrel" "a shoe" "a shop"
"a street map" etc.
I don't know if I can explain myself any clearer this time, but I will give it a go...

I was just trying to explain to a pp that I had put "an" "s" rather than the required "a" "s" of "sh", because when I say "s" to myself, I pronounce it as "es" eg to spell shop I would pronounce the letters "es" "aitch" "oh" "pee", so that would be: an es, an aitch, an oh, and a pee. So when I was trying to explain it before, I should have said an (e)s (gap) h, which put together of course make "a sh" sound - never
"an sh" sound.
I have no idea if I have explained it any better this time, I wish that I had never highlighted the fact that I said "an ess" rather than "a es", especially as it had nothing to do with the point I was trying to make - it just made it even more confusing ☺ so apologies again GaryLurcher19!

When people say that "shorn" and "dawn" rhyme, it feels as odd as if someone insisted that "three" and "France" start with the same sound. I mean, I know that some people pronounce them the same, but it's jarring to think that they don't even have a mental concept of the difference.

Presumably a lot of people who pronounce it the opposite way find it similarly jarring. And then there's the rest of us... who have heard rhotic and non-rhotic accents a gazillion times and are totally at ease with their differences. Actually, all those other people have heard rhotic and non-rhotic accents a gazillion times too, they just don't bloody listen!

I mean... all that this: When people say that "shorn" and "dawn" rhyme, it feels as odd as if someone insisted that "three" and "France" start with the same sound. means is "I am Irish/Scottish/American and have failed to notice that other people's spoken English doesn't sound like mine". Just like "Wtf of course shorn and dawn rhyme" means "I am an English speaker who's not Irish/Scottish/American and I have failed to notice that other people's spoken English doesn't sound like mine".

The sun shone rhymes with one

I was shone the way to the park rhymes with zone

Shown even

In the US shone and dawn would rhyme, also maybe one and gone depending on the accent

I don't think so. In the US 'shone' often rhymes with 'bone'. Whereas 'Sean/Shaun' rhymes with 'dawn'.

All this talk of people saying that “gone” is like “one with a g in front” just put me in mind of Mrs Doyle “Have a cup of tea father- gwan, gwan, gwan, gwan!”

I thought she was saying “go on.., go on.. go on..”

🤯

@phoenixrosehere

All this talk of people saying that “gone” is like “one with a g in front” just put me in mind of Mrs Doyle “Have a cup of tea father- gwan, gwan, gwan, gwan!”

I thought she was saying “go on.., go on.. go on..”

🤯

She is!

@Thethingswedoforlove

Neither/ it rhymes with gone

Absolutely 👏👏

bone
cone
clone
crone
drone
hone
lone
phone
prone
stone
tone
zone
-----
gone
none
shone
----
done

I've probably missed a few out, but isn't English weird? Must be difficult to learn with bugger all pronunciation rules.

Don't get me started on though, through, thought and trough....

*In the US shone and dawn would rhyme, also maybe one and gone depending on the accent

I don't think so. In the US 'shone' often rhymes with 'bone'. Whereas 'Sean/Shaun' rhymes with 'dawn'*

Yes. I grew up with “shone” rhyming with bone. Saying that, I think I’ve heard “shone” rhyming with one in the Southern dialect.

@HaveringWavering

So what is “gwan”?

@KingscoteStaff

London primary school - we count wun, two, three Not particularly posh.

So do you say…
BBC w-un (to rhyme with bun)
BBC w-on (to rhyme with on)
BBC w-one (to rhyme with cone)

Surely nobody says BBC1 to rhyme with zone...apart from perhaps the policeman from Allo Allo?! Loving this thread. It's fascinating. In my corner of southern England, won/one/gone/shone all rythme.

I've probably missed a few out, but isn't English weird? Must be difficult to learn with bugger all pronunciation rules.

Yes, but your list is wrong- none should be with done (and 'one' )

In my corner of southern England, won/one/gone/shone all rythme.

Do you mean one/won rhyme, and gone/shone rhyme, or they all rhyme with each other?

Nooo, done rhymes with sun (but not one, which rhymes with none) 😂