Does shone rhyme with dawn or zone?

[youdialwetile]

DD has been told she's saying it wrong - may be both as used in different places?

I’ve been saying one and gone for about half an hour now and no matter what accent I try and put on THEY ALWAYS RHYME.

Wun two three? wun two three???

Madness

I’m from Nottingham in the East Mids if that helps.

I think we assume that there’s at least that much consistency, that words that rhyme for us rhyme for someone else, even if the sound is a bit different.

But surely we've all heard enough e.g. Irish Scottish, and particularly American, accents to be able to easily imagine those sounds being said in those accents?! I can very easily sound out 'Dawn' and then 'corn' in an American or Scottish accent in my head and they simply don't rhyme! Am I weird - can't other people do that?

When I listen to audiobooks read by Americans they tend to say it as if it rhymes with zone, but most British read audiobooks say it as if it rhymes with con, which is how I also say it.

Wun two three? wun two three???

Yes, wun two three! Perfectly normal!

Oh btw how do you pronounce 'won' - as in 'he won a prize'?

I'm in the South East of England, it rhymes with neither in my accent.
Rhymes with John.

@PuppyMonkey

I’ve been saying one and gone for about half an hour now and no matter what accent I try and put on THEY ALWAYS RHYME.

Wun two three? wun two three???

Madness

I’m from Nottingham in the East Mids if that helps.

One: Rhymes with bun/Dun/Sun down here in the SE! Gone: Shone/John/Don

All of the British songs with one in them I can think of definitely say one as in "gone". Think of She's The One by Robbie Williams, he even rhymed it with "on"!

Yes, but he’s from the Midlands. A A Milne, on the other hand, probably spoke RP:

When I was One,
I had just begun.

Shone rhymes with Gone, One, Con

I have a southern accent, Home Counties, and I pronounce gone and one the same. I pronounce won "wun" and one "won". Can't get my head around people pronouncing one as won! Shone is obviously pronounced "shon" the same as gone.

But surely we've all heard enough e.g. Irish Scottish, and particularly American, accents to be able to easily imagine those sounds being said in those accents?! I can very easily sound out 'Dawn' and then 'corn' in an American or Scottish accent in my head and they simply don't rhyme! Am I weird - can't other people do that?
I don’t always know how words are pronounced in the south east of England and I live in the south east of England.
Not that you’re weird, there’s just a continuum, I think.

One: Rhymes with bun/Dun/Sun down here in the SE!

It doesn't in Oxfordshire.

This is what I find maddening about the whole one debate. It's the fact that people are saying the place I am from, where I have never heard anyone say it that way, as the place that it is supposedly standard. I think there must be more subsets of SE than people realise.

@crazyjinglist

Wun two three? wun two three???

Yes, wun two three! Perfectly normal!

Oh btw how do you pronounce 'won' - as in 'he won a prize'?

He one a prize! Won and one pronounced the same for me.

@crazyjinglist

I think we assume that there’s at least that much consistency, that words that rhyme for us rhyme for someone else, even if the sound is a bit different.

But surely we've all heard enough e.g. Irish Scottish, and particularly American, accents to be able to easily imagine those sounds being said in those accents?! I can very easily sound out 'Dawn' and then 'corn' in an American or Scottish accent in my head and they simply don't rhyme! Am I weird - can't other people do that?

I can sort of but I’ve never gone through all the different rhymes before, it’s more as they come up. Then you get people listing words that rhyme for them and the differences are more stark.

Dawn and corn, yes very easily because I have a non-rhotic accent and so don’t say the ‘r’ in corn (I’d really struggle to even attempt it ) but I know it’s there for other people and for me of course when written.

It’s the vowel sounds that are hard. There are so many posts saying one rhymes with gone and while of course I can force it so it sounds like they do, I have no idea if doing that would be recognisable to anyone as a known accent. So without someone saying they rhyme for them, it wouldn’t occur to me to try, any more than I would for ‘cough’ and ‘through’ or ‘gown’ and ‘thrown’ which also look as if they ought to rhyme.

So you’re not weird but maybe have a better ear?

One: Rhymes with bun/Dun/Sun down here in the SE!

It doesn't in Oxfordshire.

It did when I lived in Oxfordshire (for 16 years).

The only possible explanation is that people are hearing it differently, since people are giving exactly the same examples (e.g. specific songs) and sone think it sounds one way and some the other.

I just asked my teen dc (originally southerners, but have lived in the NW for 7 years) without giving them my opinionor any background to the question. They both said 'wun' of course and looked baffled that anyone would think otherwise!

Nope, rhymes with gone (New Zealander, lived in London a long time)

@tcjotm

So you’re not weird but maybe have a better ear?

Yes, if everyone could do it perfectly there would be no such thing as hypercorrection.

So you’re not weird but maybe have a better ear?

Hmm maybe. I'm a language teacher, which probably helps! It might also make me a bit more tolerant and less insistent about things only being correct when they're pronounced in one particular way, I guess. I spend my time hearing people talk in languages they don't speak very well , which contain sounds that don't even exist in their native language!

Plus of course, when you're teaching a foreign language - e.g. Spanish - what regional 'flavour' of Spanish do you teach? I say 'gracias' with a 'th' in the middle, but how can I tell my students it's wrong to say it with a 's' if gazillions of Spanish speakers say it that way?

@crazyjinglist

One: Rhymes with bun/Dun/Sun down here in the SE!

It doesn't in Oxfordshire.

It did when I lived in Oxfordshire (for 16 years).

The only possible explanation is that people are hearing it differently, since people are giving exactly the same examples (e.g. specific songs) and sone think it sounds one way and some the other.

I just asked my teen dc (originally southerners, but have lived in the NW for 7 years) without giving them my opinionor any background to the question. They both said 'wun' of course and looked baffled that anyone would think otherwise!

Well your own kids aren't the best people to ask as they likely say it the same as you, I asked my dad and he said it like gone, same as me.

I think it could be something do to with how people are hearing it. I also wondered if it could be somewhat of a generational thing, maybe "wun" used to be more common and I'm of a younger demographic than the people from my area who say it, because I've honestly never heard anyone say that.

I'm so confused by the people saying "one" rhymes with gone!

@Phrowzunn

😂 I can’t cope with people thinking ‘horn’ and ‘corn’ rhyme with ‘dawn’..?! Also, in what universe does ‘one’ rhyme with ‘gone’?!

In my northern universe! One and gone rhyme for me!

@Toothsil

I'm so confused by the people saying "one" rhymes with gone!

Have never you met a someone from Manchester?

@SleepingStandingUp

Neither.

Dawn, Horn, Lawn
Zone, Phone, Moan
Shone, Gone, One,

This

I think it could be something do to with how people are hearing it. I also wondered if it could be somewhat of a generational thing, maybe "wun" used to be more common and I'm of a younger demographic than the people from my area who say it, because I've honestly never heard anyone say that.

But if you're thinking it's something to do with how people are hearing it, you probably have heard people say 'wun', you just haven't heard it as 'wun'!

I don't think it's a generational thing. I'm a teacher, so I hear a lot of young people talking too much.

On the subject of whether it's more to do with how we're hearing it, can anyone tell me if they hear this as wun?

dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/one

Because this sounds like how I say it and it definitely rhymes with gone to me.