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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Trans rights. rising poverty. climate change.

106 replies

ecoanxiety · 21/01/2022 23:31

Which is worrying you more?
or which is the deciding factor for your vote?
oh go on I'll add in the russia/ Ukraine war troubles too.

lots to worry about. being a grown up is becoming less and less fun by the minute

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InvalidCrumb · 21/01/2022 23:36

Inequality in general is getting more pronounced.
Climate change will throw a frigging bomb into that too as humanity scrambles for survival.
Depressing isn't the word.

nocoolnamesleft · 21/01/2022 23:37

Women's rights
NHS being destroyed in front of our eyes
Climate change

ecoanxiety · 21/01/2022 23:38

I feel like an invalid crumb most of the time too.
at least when covid hit I was only worried about buying bread. miss those days.

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InvalidCrumb · 21/01/2022 23:38

I will make a point of saying the hatred and violence towards women (and children) is also getting harder to ignore.
The fact that '2 women are killed a week by a current or former partner' hasn't changed, seems to mean it's become boring, commonplace, unremarkable. How on Earth every decent person isn't up in arms about this I don't know.

Theunamedcat · 21/01/2022 23:39

Poverty right now this very second followed by global warming and trans rights the trans debate just isn't that important compared to can i eat next month or will my children grow old in a world comparable to this one we have now don't get me wrong trans debate is important but my daughter is currently an ally and my sons are....boys male white privilege will protect them for the most part so I feel like I'm objecting to protect strangers which brings me back to point A poverty its easier to fight for strangers when your healthy wealthy and warm not hungry and cold

The war well there is always a war and now Afghanistan is "over" and covid is winding down political boredom is setting in they are up for a fight

ecoanxiety · 21/01/2022 23:40

I am up in arms.
but even my female relatives I've spoken to about it have been sucked into the opposition for fear of being bigoted.
I am scared to be honest and as my daughter is getting older I am getting weapy.

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Enough4me · 21/01/2022 23:40

Women's rights as men's rights are clearly increasingly becoming prioritised over them.

AdoptedBumpkin · 21/01/2022 23:42

They're all important, but it's hard to pick one. An increase in poverty is the most pressing, but climate change affects the whole world and it feels like there is not much ordinary citizens can do, so it is crucial to have the right sort of politicians in place.

MaChienEstUnDick · 21/01/2022 23:59

Rising poverty is women's rights. Poverty impacts women and children harder, we've seen this over and over again. That's my two priorities but they're so interlinked for me that I almost don't see them as different 'things'.

Climate change I suppose should be top priority but it's so big. I can post on here to help another woman, give money to women's aid (yy I know, WA has fallen but someone's still got to help women), volunteer for my charity, try to bring my son up right and talk, talk, talk to other women - that's all stuff I can do and do right now.

Apart from managing my shopping and recycling and not taking the car I feel I can't impact climate change so that slips down.

stinkycheeseman · 22/01/2022 00:01

I would go for misogyny over trans rights as a bigger problem. I know they come from the same core, but could solve half the problem. Poverty is the next thing that keeps me up at night.

stinkycheeseman · 22/01/2022 00:03

It's all a bit shit really

Theunamedcat · 22/01/2022 14:10

@stinkycheeseman

It's all a bit shit really
Agreed
GinF1zz · 22/01/2022 14:16

I think climate change is the biggest one of all. As temperatures rise and crops are ruined, people will want to move en masse to better places, richer nations won't want them, and this will lead to conflict and war. Women and the poor will be the losers, as ever. Trans rights will be an irrelevance and western indulgence.

pollypokcet · 22/01/2022 14:19

It's not just climate change, also pollution (air, water, noise, light-), permanent loss of wilderness and extinctions, resource scarcity (including water) and more.

It bugs me when people say climate change because as a species, it's so much more than that. People see climate change and think it's no big deal, doesn't affect me, someone else can go and plant a tree

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 22/01/2022 14:20

Climate change is the one that keeps me up at night. Increasing poverty and inequality also feels v urgent - certainly that is the problem I feel I'm constantly seeing in the immediate vicinity.

None of which is to say the others aren't also important.

Camomila · 22/01/2022 14:23

Climate change I suppose should be top priority but it's so big.

I agree, it's like it's so scary my brain goes "nope, not thinking about it."
I do recycle, try to buy less etc. but I just can't think about it too much.

I think rising poverty/rising inequality is my main worry. Society seems to be getting more selfish and individualistic.

StarsAreWishes · 22/01/2022 14:27

I don’t think you can distinguish between worldwide financial inequality, womens rights, and climate change. They are so interlinked, and so huge.

Beamur · 22/01/2022 14:27

I think that sexual equality is actually the most important one. Because if decisions were not being made solely by men, I think issues around poverty and climate change would be looked at differently.

Luredbyapomegranate · 22/01/2022 14:31

It’s a shit time.

But anyone who answers anything other than climate change is batshit.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 22/01/2022 14:31

All of the things listed so far include, or boil down to, a total inability or willingness to accept differing opinions with grace.

Transwomen are not women - die in a grease fire, lose your job, look to your kids

Don't think all the statue toppling, road/train gluing whatever is a good way to go about things - then you are a murderer, insane, thick as shit pillock

Think it's all great idea. - you are a rich kid playing at being an adult, insane, conspiracy theorist

East West politics is the same, but writ large.

We are losing our willingness to accept a challenge to our thinking. Critical thinking is a dying art.

As was predicted, some time back in the 50s and more specifically in the 70s and 80s sci fi, the rise of person to person communications, social media allows information to be lost, diluted, bastardised without challenge. Feelings become more important than facts.

Basically, we are fucked. Until a particularly dystopian rock bottom is hit and we have to start society again.

Could take decades, I'd have thought centuries, but the speed that SM has taken over from libraries, personal opinions and emotional based data from research etc has made me less hopeful of my dying of old age before some of this shit really hits the fan!

shergarsrevenge · 22/01/2022 14:31

Rising inequality, affects young, old, female, male.
Climate change affects everyone, including other species.
Trans rights 50% of the population but the number of trans men is tiny.

FourTeaFallOut · 22/01/2022 14:31

Women's rights first. Tackling the rolling disasters that result from inflation, war and climate change without the language to identified those most screwed by it is fucking useless.

SantaClawsServiette · 22/01/2022 14:34

This is a difficult thing to answer because the types of problems they represent are very different.

Poverty and the economy is serious for people, but difficult problems and one where I'm not terribly happy with any proposed solutions as I don't think they get to the root of the problem.

Climate change is also really serious, but also it's not something that any one nation can address effectively, and frankly I am not convinced that any proposals on the table by any party are realistic or adequate. And, actions against climate change may have effects around poverty too - maybe quite terrible ones in some countries.

Women's right and issues around gender ideology, and I'll add identity politics, are a completely different kind of problem and frankly one that could be effectively addressed if so many institutions weren't captured and more people actually understood what is going on.

What I'd vote for is going to depend - not only are they trying to address these things, are they likely to be effective, is anyone offering realistic approaches, etc.

VelvetChairGirl · 22/01/2022 14:37

climate change

SantaClawsServiette · 22/01/2022 14:39

I mean, look at the Canadian election, not the most recent but where JT was first elected with a very large majority. He campaigned on the environment a lot, contrasted himself to the CP, had lots of pictures taken in nature shirtless, when he was elected he made a big deal of photo ops at the climate conference.

Then he bought a pipeline.

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