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Trans rights. rising poverty. climate change.

106 replies

ecoanxiety · 21/01/2022 23:31

Which is worrying you more?
or which is the deciding factor for your vote?
oh go on I'll add in the russia/ Ukraine war troubles too.

lots to worry about. being a grown up is becoming less and less fun by the minute

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WallaceinAnderland · 23/01/2022 11:22

Womens rights.

Because women always suffer more through poverty, misogyny and have no voice to influence war, climate change, etc. Men make those decisions and women suffer.

Cattenberg · 23/01/2022 11:26

Climate change is the biggest threat to us all and it’s linked with poverty. Bangladesh will suffer enormously as sea levels rise. Similarly, much of sub-Saharan Africa will be disproportionately affected by desertification. But we’ll all be affected to some extent. It’s happening right now.

Poverty is also linked with women’s rights. Most governments now recognise that the education of girls plays a crucial role in raising living standards for all. In the UK, we’ve also seen government austerity measures affect women more than men. Women are more likely than men to be single parents, and to work in low-paid, public sector jobs.

The redefining of the legal category woman/women/girls to include man/men/boys means that they are no womens rights anymore. How can you give sex based legal rights to women if that category also includes men?

This. How I wish we could just resolve this in law and move on. There is so much else left to do. Must every generation of women have to fight for their rights all over again?

FindingMeno · 23/01/2022 11:28

Poverty and conflicts/ potential conflicts.
My number one worry is the housing crisis as far as the UK is concerned.

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2022 15:33

At the ballot box, there aren't really any parties prepared to take the action necessary to decarbonise our power. They're all hoping that wind turbines and solar power will do it. Fact remains that only nuclear can provide GHG-free power in the quantities we need. It would also hugely reduce our gas consumption which has the extra benefit of stopping Europe from being so reliant upon Russian gas for its energy security and by increasing energy supply will drop prices.

So nuclear can solve most of those problems. It doesn't answer the question of whether depraved predators like "Karen White" (alias Stephen Wood) should be allowed access to new victims while locked up but that should be quick and easy to resolve: the word "no" is one of the shortest in the language.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 23/01/2022 15:41

I worry for women.

I worry that so many are killed and it becomes just another news item.

I worry that their safe spaces are being taken over.

I worry that words that relate to women are slowly but surely being changed.

I worry not for me but the women of tomorrow.

anothersmahedmug · 23/01/2022 15:48

Wind solar with giga batteries can provide all our power with advantages over nuclear that it's responsive to demand and easy to dispose of

catgirl1976 · 23/01/2022 15:48

Russia / Ukraine is scaring me a lot. Hopefully unlikely to happen but could be world ending. No opportunity to change it.

Rising poverty and fuel price increases worry me a lot. Definitely going to happen and will impact me but survivable. No opportunity to change it.

Violence against women and this tide of erasure of women and their rights makes me absolutely despair. Happening already and does affect me but opportunity to fight back.

So there's only women's rights I have any hope of influencing / supporting / changing. Doesn't mean I don't care about Russia - I do but I can't control it so I try not to think about it (fail) and focus on the things I hopefully can change a little. If that makes sense.

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2022 18:04

@anothersmahedmug

Wind solar with giga batteries can provide all our power with advantages over nuclear that it's responsive to demand and easy to dispose of
Have you seen what is currently happening to the price of lithium? At best wind can generate 10GW of power, even with any more planned it is not going to solve our problems. In France on the other hand, nuclear provides 50GW of power. Reliably.

www.greensfornuclear.energy/

anothersmahedmug · 23/01/2022 18:07

There are more technologies than lithium

Sodium ion is one example

crankysaurus · 23/01/2022 18:16

Climate change above all else, as poverty, conflict, impacts on women will all significantly increase in the future if we don't act now now. It needs a stronger commitment on a national and international level and so a needs a government /politicians who will really push carbon targets forward.

ten987123 · 23/01/2022 18:20

Have you considered Buddhism?
Seriously.

crankysaurus · 23/01/2022 18:24

To help with climate change? I mean, that's one approach I guess.

Ionlydomassiveones · 23/01/2022 18:30

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AngelicaElizaAndPeggy · 23/01/2022 18:42

In my head it's like this:

😱😱😱😱😱Climate change😱😱😱😱😱
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....then everything else.

The trans rights thing is symptomatic of something much, much more sinister in my opinion- our slide towards the Metaverse. Our opinions are only going to become more polarised, our views more extreme. Our very capability to relate to each other as real, meaningful human beings is under threat as we are pressured to adopt this new technology where it will be increasingly unappealing to live your life in the real world. Feel a bit sad if you're the victim of a mumsnet pile on? Imagine that, but that the posters are avatars of real people invading your physical meta space in real time. Feel worried about your child speaking to weird people online? Imagine that they could physically invade your child's online space and have the ability to effect real sensations of pain. Yep, that's coming and it is fucking terrifying. Mark Zuckerberg tells us it will be marvellous and amazing but it will be at the expense of our humanity.

Sorry for the rant! So, in a nutshell, climate change and the Metaverse are what terrify me right now.

durking · 23/01/2022 18:44

The ageing population & the impact economically of that.

rainbowdaz · 23/01/2022 18:46

@crankysaurus

Climate change above all else, as poverty, conflict, impacts on women will all significantly increase in the future if we don't act now now. It needs a stronger commitment on a national and international level and so a needs a government /politicians who will really push carbon targets forward.

Not just climate, the environment holistically (like conservation), but you're right. And climate has a lot of impacts people don't immediately think of

ten987123 · 23/01/2022 18:47

@crankysaurus

To help with climate change? I mean, that's one approach I guess.
To help with the anxiety all these things are inducing.
Blossom64265 · 23/01/2022 18:48

If I have to vote on an issue, it has to be protecting the vulnerable population from Covid. I don’t have the mental space for anything else on my life right now.

More rationally, I don’t vote by issue. I look for candidates who are intelligent and rational. I would rather cast my vote for someone who will carefully consider evidence, but might land at a different conclusion than I would, than someone who blindly legislates by ideology.

RockAndHardPlace1 · 23/01/2022 18:49

Poverty.
Ukraine war. (Why the f* are we getting involved? Angry)
Womens rights. (JK Rowling is a legend.)
Climate change.

In no order, all is quite terrifying!

Zotter · 23/01/2022 19:04

The ever increasing gap between the super rich and everyone else in England with those on low incomes not being able to afford secure housing, sufficient heating and nutritious food. I know a Conservative govt has no interest in addressing.

I read in an article the world’s ten richest men more than doubled their fortunes from $700 billion to $1.5 trillion —at a rate of $15,000 per second or $1.3 billion a day— during the first two years of a pandemic that has seen the incomes of 99 percent of humanity fall.

That within a few years there will be no universal healthcare in England and it will be replaced by private profit led healthcare which will cost so much more.

Climate change

I am hopeful that gender critical arguments are rightly starting to be listened to, but know this only has happened through brilliant campaigning by women groups and there is still a way to go.

Further erosion of democratic rights the longer Conservatives stay in power. Dread them winning again the next election.

I continue to miss the U.K. not being part of the EU.

crankysaurus · 23/01/2022 19:09

Completely agree, rainbowdaz, we and all the different aspects of the environment are all interlinked.

As well as everything else, an increase in women's rights globally (especially in situations of poverty and education) is often linked to assisting in tackling climate change.

Player20868 · 23/01/2022 19:26
  • Climate Change (or whatever you want to call the current extinction event); this includes food security, land erosion, the systematic extermination of species, not just ours; displacement and the subsequent rise in refugees, combined with martial law likely to tip into actual war at some point (I never thought I'd see Poland, of all countries, turning refugees back at the border)
  • Overpopulation and uneven global distribution of populations
  • Inequality including misogyny in all its forms, particularly where government policies make poverty worse and worse for women and families
  • Rampant greed
  • And the fact that the people in charge don't give a monkey's backside about people who aren't like them (and with a few honourable exceptions, that applies to every country on the planet)

Those thinking it'll all be solved if we have a few more women making decisions, it depends on the person. It might just work if it's a Jacinda type person, but

a) have you forgotten about that harridan Thatcher, or are you too young to remember her
and
b) can you imagine if, say, a Priti Patel was in charge of the world or even our little corner of it?!

I'm fairly sure that anyone who's left in the future is going to look back and really not like us very much...

haba · 24/01/2022 00:27

@RockAndHardPlace1

Poverty. Ukraine war. (Why the f* are we getting involved? Angry) Womens rights. (JK Rowling is a legend.) Climate change.

In no order, all is quite terrifying!

Because if Putin invades The Ukraine, and no-one does anything to stop him, how long will it be until he marches into Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary etc?
SantaClawsServiette · 24/01/2022 04:44

[quote shergarsrevenge]**@CuriousaboutSamphire* but on another related thread posters are talking about voting for another tory government because Labour's stance is unacceptable. You are kidding yourself if you think a tory administration will tackle poverty and inequalities at all*. They've had most of the last and this century to do it....[/quote]
All the LP needs to do is walk back from this particular policy, and stop saying things like male sex offenders that feel like women should be in prison with women.

That doesn't seem very committed to ending poverty much less respecting the people they are supposedly representing.

SantaClawsServiette · 24/01/2022 04:51

Further erosion of democratic rights the longer Conservatives stay in power. Dread them winning again the next election.

I also worry about this, but given the way the other parties are in thrall to id politics, that also seems like it will cause a real degradation of democratic institutions. And while in the UK it seems more low key, in my country the response to covid on the progressive side has been crazy, completely ignoring any concerns about civil liberties and the fundamentals of liberal democracy.

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