Trans rights. rising poverty. climate change.

[ecoanxiety]

Which is worrying you more?
or which is the deciding factor for your vote?
oh go on I'll add in the russia/ Ukraine war troubles too.

lots to worry about. being a grown up is becoming less and less fun by the minute

Some things are bigger than the trans debate. Well maybe not on Mumsnet, but in the real world.

I don't understand why the trans issues are such a big issue in the UK. Trans people are an a tiny percentage of the population. I see very little discussion of trans rights in the media here in Australia at all.

Compared to climate change? Inequality? These are massive issues that affect everybody. Much more concerning.

Have a read around the sex and gender forum, see what you think about the fight for women's rights then.

You'll find a few Australian posters there too, iirr!

bangs head against desk for about the millionth time, it is about the erosion of womens rights not about “trans right”

The redefining of the legal category woman/women/girls to include man/men/boys means that they are no womens rights anymore. How can you give sex based legal rights to women if that category also includes men?

Trans ppl are entitled to the same human rights as everyone else and in the UK they have them

As biological women transmen are also entitled to women a sec based rights

Transwomen are biological men and are therefore not entitled to woman’s sec based rights

The loss of women only rights/spaces/sports/refuges/prisons etc is already happening & once gone we will not get them back

I am not particularly interested in trans rights but I am worried about women’s rights , inequality/poverty and climate change in pretty equal proportions

Partly because they are interrelated

Women more likely than men to be in poverty

Climate change less likely to be tackled in a macho patriarchal consumerist capitalist state

Climate change hits the poor hardest - who is going to be unable to afford to go electric for thier next car or heating system for example

Have a read around the sex and gender forum, see what you think about the fight for women's rights then

Fully conversant with all the usual arguments from that particular echo chamber, thanks. Just don't see much evidence of it actually being a huge problem in real life compared to other, bigger issues. It's like putting out a match while your house is on fire. It's not comparable to the fact we don't have a working healthcare system, or that the benefits system isn't fit for purpose or that we are led by a bunch of self serving privately educated wankers who are lining their own pockets with our money.

Redefining woman is a growing problem

It's not about trans people / it's about bad males who don't have to be trans at all, just say they are

Think of it like covid - you start with just small issues and suddenly you have unisex everything and that is known to lead to More rapes and sexual violence

You have men in womens sport - in the US you have already seen that boys have used this to take womens places in university - with one set of 3 female and 3 males spaces being taken by 6 males

You also have a surprising number of sex offenders who are ( often until released from jail ) trans identifying - wanting to be housed in the female estate

That also makes it seem that there are more women sex offenders than there really are , making women more vulnerable as "they are just as bad"

Ah. Should have realised when you said you believe TWAW.

But, as others have said. It is women's rights we are fighting for, not against trans rights.

And the logic is that if we cannot be women, define women, identify women, legislate for women then women cannot protect, or be protected by legislation.

As is already happening in many walks of life, sport, prisons, workplace, homes etc etc

Can you try to imagine for a second what it would feel like to be trans and read this thread?

I don't have to imagine.

And this is a space where women, mostly, Covid me to talk. What would a trans person come here and expect anything else?

I don't go to spaces where trans people talk and tell them off for being mean about women.

So take you attempt at emotional blackmail and post it elsewhere.

Blood phone, bloody autocorrect. Hopefully you'll manage to untangle that! 🙂

Transwomen in womens' prisons, transwomen in females sports, tiny numbers in comparison to the billions affected by the climate emergency, the millions in this country alone affected by inequality/poverty/ inadequate investment in public services.
Get the house sorted out first, issues that affect everyone, so decent schools, hospitals, prisons and rehab, policing, green economy etc then tackle trans issues...

WOMANS RIGHTS

@shergarsrevenge

Transwomen in womens' prisons, transwomen in females sports, tiny numbers in comparison to the billions affected by the climate emergency, the millions in this country alone affected by inequality/poverty/ inadequate investment in public services. Get the house sorted out first, issues that affect everyone, so decent schools, hospitals, prisons and rehab, policing, green economy etc then tackle trans issues...

It is entirely possible to tackle more than one issue at a time.

Food bank, fuel poverty is something I do as a volunteer, weekly, in real life.

Womens rights (not trans rights) is a political issue, dealt with mainly online, lobbying MPs etc

I don't see either as more or less important, just different, and both much needed

I get frustrated by the fact that time and energy we could be spending on poverty and wider women's rights issues are having to be used to push back against a subset of males in affluent countries demanding a share of our existing rights and even wanting to appropriate our oppression.

Women's rights, its the only one I actively protest about, regularly donate money to and would base my vote on. Maybe erosion of women's rights is a better way of putting it for me

@CuriousaboutSamphire but on another related thread posters are talking about voting for another tory government because Labour's stance is unacceptable. You are kidding yourself if you think a tory administration will tackle poverty and inequalities at all. They've had most of the last and this century to do it....

Imagine being a woman reading how it’s fine for men to attend a support group for rape survivors because they say they’re a woman too

Funny how beeeee kind only ever goes one way

[quote shergarsrevenge]**@CuriousaboutSamphire* but on another related thread posters are talking about voting for another tory government because Labour's stance is unacceptable. You are kidding yourself if you think a tory administration will tackle poverty and inequalities at all*. They've had most of the last and this century to do it....[/quote]
Other posters on another thread are saying something and from that you deduce that I am a Tory voter?

How odd!

I see OP vaguely succeeded in their pathetic attempt to rile people by bringing up trans issue in this contest. In real life, no one wakes up in the morning and worries about how biological men can be helped to erode women’s rights. Well, maybe only virtue signalling militant ‘progressives’.

Why odd ? If people refuse to vote for the main opposition party over one issue, the Tories do indeed win despite their lamentable record towards the poor and vulnerable.

@Dontgetyerknicksinatwist

Rising poverty is a real threat to our society. I fear for the children who will be caught up in it. I worry that people, especially children will go hungry, cold, homeless and even die as a result. Our Government are wilfully allowing this to happen. Where is the social uprising against this? People are willing enough to protest over a statue fgs…

What are you on about? So people should not protest about the racism that permeates their lives. Really? Why bring up the statue in the first place? It is so easy to call out on something that does not effect you.

@shergarsrevenge

Why odd ? If people refuse to vote for the main opposition party over one issue, the Tories do indeed win despite their lamentable record towards the poor and vulnerable.

Where are you getting that from though?

You are ascribing to me stuff that other people have said elsewhere.

Why?

1 man who identifies as a woman can impact many women. Think about how many women could be in each space
A supermarket toilet, gym changing room, support group, swimming competition
We have seen the rise in sexual crimes committed by 'women'. It doesn't take many men to identify as women to have an impact on a lot of women
It's also part of a wider trend to roll back women's rights and Safeguarding. To demand acceptance for fetish in public. To promote harmful stereotypes and reduce women to roles that are useful to men, sex roles or surrogates.
All this concerns me as well as the polarisation of society, climate and rising inequality and poverty

@sst1234

I see OP vaguely succeeded in their pathetic attempt to rile people by bringing up trans issue in this contest. In real life, no one wakes up in the morning and worries about how biological men can be helped to erode women’s rights. Well, maybe only virtue signalling militant ‘progressives’.

Maybe you just aren't noticing. If you have school age kids you may be able to find it quite easily. It depends on what resources a school uses.