To not get the e-mail sign off with pronoun's?

[hehimshehertheythem]

He/him and she/her at the end of an email. Margaret I know you're a woman and Jeff I know you're a man. Why are you teaching me to suck eggs. I don't get it?

I have not once never see a they/them as a sign off, so what is the actual point?

I for one will not be taking part in this madness. But would like to understand the thought behind the people that do? If there is any thought that is.

I got asked to do this at work and I refused. I find it so twee and ridiculous. My name's (not really but close) Roseanne. Have a guess.

I instantly judge people who announce their pronouns as not very bright.

Political propaganda.

I recruit, and automatically discount CVs from anyone with pronouns in their signature. I don't want to work with someone who jumps on bandwagons.

I don’t do it and will not do it. It is not for me to dictate how people talk about me when I am not there.

And as for “cis” - screw that, I do not have a gender, I have a biological sex which is immutable.

All of this is just lip service to inclusivity while actually damaging womens’ rights.

[quote Migrainesbythedozen]@DepletingDopamine Cisgender is actually not allowed to be used on Mumsnet, and it's a deeply offensive term. Perhaps you should be more aware and less insulting to women, and less desperate to be seen to be woke.[/quote]
Then I shall report my own comment and those quoting/replying as I was unaware it wasn’t allowed on mumsnet.

I don't get it either, I finding it utterly weird that you'd even want to declare your sexual preferences to work colleagues on an email sign off

Seems pointless in an email because when would you ever use "she/her" in your reply. Surely it would always be "you".

I read that women with unisex names working in certain industries noticed a change in attitude when they stated their sex on their email sig. They drew the conclusion that being mistaken for male benefited their work.

It's commonplace in the LA I work for. Thankfully not mandatory (yet).

We are supposed to be impartial, so I strongly disagree with taking a political position in our email signatures.

Mine says "no pronouns please". No one has ever mentioned it.

@DipYourPenisInMyBeaker

Technically companies can’t mandate, it’s illegal, they shouldn’t be doing it. They can recommend and explain why it could be helpful, but within my workplace there’s no heavy pressure or anything to use them. I use them to show support, but don’t judge those who don’t.

To show support to who? Your company that asked you to do it? The male dominated world that you are an agreeable female? Who are we supporting?

@ImInStealthMode

I've been in regular email contact with an Ashley for several years. Never had need for a video or phone call. No idea if this Ashley is male or female, and makes absolutely fuck all difference to the work we collaborate on.

If I was referring to them to a colleague I'd say 'Ashley from Xcompany'

This is why I can't understand it. What does it matter, we are working with an individual, who has a name, which is what we use to refer to them. Not their pronoun, so what are we trying to achieve by including within every single email sent.

My 5 and 7 year olds have EHCPs where it explicitly records pronouns. Leaving it blank wasn't acceptable apparantly. I'm fairly sure my 5 year old is currently self-identifying as a penguin and couldn't give two hoots about she/he/her/him.

@MsAgnesDiPesto

DH has a male name which has been adopted as female in this country, and just adds (Mr) after his name in his email sig - always has. The number of people over the years who’ve called and actually said ‘oh, I thought you were a woman’ means it’s worth doing, especially if he has arranged a site visit by email, they’ve never spoken, and this bald, bearded rugby player appears instead of the woman they were expecting. He hasn’t felt the need to give his pronouns, as he states Mr instead.

This seems like the very most sensible approach if the individual themselves would prefer to state.

@Greywhippet

It’s no skin off anyone’s nose to do it and it could make someone feel more comfortable with declaring who they want to be so why not? It’s not difficult

How could it make them feel more comfortable? Oh everyone else is saying they are a boy or a girl so it's ok for me to say that I'm a ...... whatever they identify as?

@Thirtytimesround

It’s a political thing. Adding your pronouns is a public statement that you agree that “transwomen are women” and biological males should have free access to women and girls spaces, male-bodied rapists should be in female prisons, male-bodies girl guide leaders allowed to supervise the girls changing room etc. It’s part of a political campaign to abolish women’s rights.

It doesn’t even make sense. Say Danny is a biological male who grew up with male privilege and never had a period or pregnancy and has male height and male body strength but now identifies as female. He sends me a work email and signs off “she/her.” When I reply to Danny, do I call him “him”, or “her”? Neither, I call Danny “you” because I am writing to Danny. So zero need for any pronoun confusion.

Or, is Danny worried that I might use the wrong pronoun in a conversation with a third person about Danny? Well (a) Danny can keep his nose out of my private conversations, (b) Danny’s email signature is not going to change what I say about him in private conversations, and (c) when I talk about Danny it isn’t the pronouns I’m using that he should most worry about.

Is this what we're signing up to by attempting to be polite and including our pronouns on an email. Wow. Just wow.

We were asked to do it at work by our LGBTQ+ employee group, not mandatory, but asked if we would, as allies. I work in technology consulting, main for large financial services institutions, and I'd say that over 50% of the emails I receive have a persons pronouns. I suspect mainly it's in solidarity as an ally.

[quote girljulian]@HollowTalk actually I do have my title before my name, but my title is Dr so it doesn’t help me at all! It’s amazing how many people will see Dr Julian Lastname and reply “Dear Mr Lastname…”[/quote]
But of course they do! Julian is a predominantly male name, and people assume Dr. always means male even if it isn't!! So it's not amazing is it? 🙄

I have a unisex name and regularly receive emails addressed to Mr, despite being a woman. It doesn't bother me at all, my name is more common for men so it's a natural assumption.

I don't really know why we need to know why people are male or female in a work environment. It all feels so old fashioned, like in the old days when colleagues would all write their title (usually Mrs. with the people I worked with).

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

It’s to signify compliance with the ideology.

Ahhh ok I get it now.

@Quackpot

It's really just to tell all the men that your a woman so they don't need to take you seriously anymore.

Actually this probably makes the most sense.

My first name is unisex but heavily male like Sam or Andi. I have tried siging off Purple Penguins (Mrs) but it gets ignored, so when letters arrive for Mr P Penguin, DH opens them as we have the same initial . Using she/her seems to work better.

@whowhatwhen

We were asked to do it at work by our LGBTQ+ employee group, not mandatory, but asked if we would, as allies. I work in technology consulting, main for large financial services institutions, and I'd say that over 50% of the emails I receive have a persons pronouns. I suspect mainly it's in solidarity as an ally.

An ally of the company?

I don’t use them. I think it’s virtue signalling for a start but if it’s compulsory the it’s totally unfair on people who aren’t “out” by forcing them to declare it.

I got an email from a person who identified as non-binary. What pissed me off is that there wasn’t just their pronouns, there was a whole explanatory paragraph under their name. It looked narcissistic and totally unnecessary. This person started their email to me with just my first name. At no point did they need my pronouns to write it.

My reply to them also started with their first name. Again, I had zero need to know their pronouns. To me, their explanatory paragraph was as irrelevant as a paragraph about their favourite TV programmes. It was show-casing and slightly unnerving because it put me on edge, like they were primed to take offence and looking out for opportunities to complain about nothing.

The person was a male with a very normal older male haircut. It made me want to identify as NB so I could have people tiptoe around me and never express a hint of criticism about my work.