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If we have to vote this year or the next, women who will not vote Labour due to the GRA raise your hand

670 replies

TerraNovaTwo · 20/01/2022 20:54

As above

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PastMyBestBeforeDate · 20/01/2022 23:42

The posters asking about where it leaves disabled women, carers and women in poverty. Which of those groups are you in?

Toffeepenni · 20/01/2022 23:45

Nope, because you have people like Nandy, Lammy and Raynor who come across as safeguarding loose cannons, god knows what bandwagon these bunch will jump on next, and Starmer doesnt appear to be able to rein them in.
It’s like watching a bunch of toddlers saying crazy shit with the resigned parent in the background saying yeah yeah I agree its not right to say Thomas the Tank can’t fly.

Blessex · 20/01/2022 23:48

@chilling19 Because if women are erased as distinct category the there is no,need to bother/listen to us. At the moment, the tories (who I will never vote for by the way) are holding the line. Since this issue hit the mainstream. It is the right wing - tories, the times, the fucking daily mail, who have stood up and reported on this. And this hurts me - that the Labour Party that I have voted for all my life will throw adult human female rights females under the bus for woke points. It is like we are not even real to them. That's why. Hope that helps.

Yes yes and fucking yes. Why the fuck do I need to read the Telegraph, Times and Daily Mail for the sane reality woman’s rights points. Wake the fuck up. I am so mad about this. I will never forgive the Guardian and the Labour Party

MichelleScarn · 20/01/2022 23:48

@elodie77

user1471504747

I appreciate your valiant efforts but most people here are too stupid to do anything but catastrophise and repeat their ridiculous slogans.

Women's rights are not under threat by the proposed changes to the GRA. And Tories will soon be in favour of self-ID too. You can't stop it. Overcome your prejudice.

Is that a wee plop like Jalvert in Les Mis to do the 'well done you for trying but you'll fail in the wake of our well funded Army'?Hmm
ilovesooty · 20/01/2022 23:49

@PastMyBestBeforeDate

The posters asking about where it leaves disabled women, carers and women in poverty. Which of those groups are you in?
Are people only supposed to care about the welfare of groups they're in?
SuspiciousHumanoid · 20/01/2022 23:53
Thoosa · 20/01/2022 23:55

@PastMyBestBeforeDate

The posters asking about where it leaves disabled women, carers and women in poverty. Which of those groups are you in?
Well said. I have a neuro-muscular disorder. Also neurodiversities.

I cannot run or put up much of a fight if I have to. I won’t even “walk” my dog alone because I cannot protect him, let alone myself.

I could when I was well. I was raped when I was young. I worry that the outcome would be worse now, if it ever happened again. I want single sex spaces for safety. I don’t care what the gender identity of the females in that space is.

Many observant religious women would also be sidelined if mixed sex spaces become the norm.

Self ID is also starting to impinge on disability rights. It’s hard work getting diagnosed, getting reasonable adjustments, a blue badge or PIP. When it becomes widespread that you can self ID into disability, there will be chaos. The resources won’t stretch to the self identified.

And so on, for every minority category…

applespearsbears · 20/01/2022 23:56

@HaroldMeeker

I'm politically homeless. I can't vote for any political party atm. I can't see it changing either. Wtf happened?
Completely agree
PastMyBestBeforeDate · 21/01/2022 00:01

Not at all @ilovesooty. I just wondered since they're being used as reasons to vote Labour whether the posters mentioning them were part of those groups or speaking on their behalf.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 21/01/2022 00:02

@Thoosa Flowers

Ploppy1322 · 21/01/2022 00:04

Me, I honestly don't know what I'm going to do, labour is off the table.

Thoosa · 21/01/2022 00:10

Thanks @PastMyBestBeforeDate

montysma1 · 21/01/2022 00:14

I would normally vote SNP but cannot because of GRA. Or Greens
I won't be voting.

I

steff13 · 21/01/2022 00:15

[quote Blessex]@TameDucksAtChatsworth I used to like Lisa Nandy. Now I think she’s just stupid.[/quote]
Why don't we just let everyone go to the prison of their choosing, then!? 🤦‍♀️🙄

steff13 · 21/01/2022 00:17

@PastMyBestBeforeDate

The posters asking about where it leaves disabled women, carers and women in poverty. Which of those groups are you in?
Surprisingly, some people actually care about the welfare of people other than themselves. You should try it sometime.
Giggorata · 21/01/2022 00:18

✋🏻
I am politically homeless.

Totallydefeated · 21/01/2022 00:19

Me. Won’t be voting Labour or Lib Dem because of their misogyny, willingness to throw the safety of every woman and girl in the country under a bus, and sheer stupidity in going along with idiotic fantasy.

Could never vote Tory.

So that leaves a spoiled ballot paper unless we happen to get a decent independent candidate.

So I’ve been de facto disenfranchised and see no change coming over the horizon.

I don’t think much of our ‘democracy’ at present.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 21/01/2022 00:21

Hmm @steff13

JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil · 21/01/2022 00:27

‘Are you referring to the GRA put in place by the Tories involving Penny TWAW Mordaunt? The Tory party that's been in power for over a decade? The same Tory party that believes misogyny happens to men and women? Stoking the right wing culture war moral panic just to get your vote so they can impoverish more women and children while you spoil your ballots and pat each other on the back while vulnerable people starve to death and lose the public services that they depend on, MN Parler with pearls, catch yourselves on’

100% this but to be honest having read through posts up to now I’m almost certain most PPs were never Labour voters in the first place. Many of the writing styles are very similar and formulaic e.g. ‘I’m a lifelong Labour voter xxx’. Thread clearly started to distract from Tory problems.

steff13 · 21/01/2022 00:29

PastMyBestBeforeDate 😒 yourself. You're the one who implied that someone has to be a member of one of those groups to care about them. 🤷‍♀️

ashitghost · 21/01/2022 00:30

Me

Waitwhat23 · 21/01/2022 00:32

@Alekto

Are you referring to the GRA put in place by the Tories involving Penny TWAW Mordaunt?

No. The GRA was passed into law in 2004 under Tony Blair's Labour.

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil did you overlook this post? Funny that.
GrandmasCat · 21/01/2022 00:33

Honestly… I would vote whoever gets a chance to get Boris and his mafia out.

Pieceofpurplesky · 21/01/2022 00:34

@RememberThePenguins

I'm gender critical but I believe that more harm will be done to women via poverty and increasing costs of living than the trans rights issue. So I will vote Labour.
This in bucketloads
clopper · 21/01/2022 00:35

Me . Gave up my party membership because of it. No one to really vote for now sadly.