If we have to vote this year or the next, women who will not vote Labour due to the GRA raise your hand

[TerraNovaTwo]

As above

Hand raised.

@Shambolicatthleast

Privileged m/c women financially comfortable enough to weather the economic storm of brexit/covid/austerity who are prepared to let other less fortunate women suffer. Ask women on NMW, zero hours, no real increase in benefits for years, zero investment in schools and NHS, crime rife, career opportunities for young women and men minimal in deprived areas but 'boris' and the tories are preferable. Mind boggles.

Although you don't know anything about the women here and their lives. But hey, make a story to fit your narrative, rather than listen to what they are saying.

Privileged m/c women financially comfortable ✅

Forgot to tick my score sheet.

Privileged m/c women financially comfortable enough to weather the economic storm of brexit/covid/austerity who are prepared to let other less fortunate women suffer.

Like the privileged middle class women virtue signalling about gender identity luxury beliefs while women in prison have to share space with male rapists, and women seeking a female only space to recover from their rape are told they are bigots, you mean?

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Spoilt my ballot last time and will again

@Shambolicatthleast

Privileged m/c women financially comfortable enough to weather the economic storm of brexit/covid/austerity who are prepared to let other less fortunate women suffer. Ask women on NMW, zero hours, no real increase in benefits for years, zero investment in schools and NHS, crime rife, career opportunities for young women and men minimal in deprived areas but 'boris' and the tories are preferable. Mind boggles.

Condescending and patronising

@Theeyeballsinthesky

Wait wait I need to get my bingo card!

@TooBigForMyBoots

I am not saying that there aren't pro-self ID MPs in the conservative party or that there isn't much more that they could and should be doing, just that the pro-self ID stuff isn't coming from them anymore (at the moment?)

It very much is coming from Conservative members! Including the Conservative Chair of of the Cross Party Committee for Women and Equalities. Penny Mordaunt who firmly believes TWAW and spoke out on the front benches against sensible HoL's recommendations on the reforms. Crispin Blunt who launched complaints proceedings against the Surrey PCC because she did a JKR tweet.

You just don't hear much about it in the press. I wonder why?

I know! I said that there are conservative MPs (and presumably party members) who are pro-ID, just it is not party policy anymore/at the moment. I also said that the pressure is coming from the W and E committee, but that is a cross-party select committee not part of the executive.

I think we largely agree!

Me, I won't vote for anyone who are so anti woman

Condescending and patronising

Yep

I've voted Labour all my life.

Never again.

Labour and the other opposition parties will soon realise the TRA/student/woke vote won't win them a GE.

@littlebilliie why ? Poor wc women have been hit by tory austerity more than any other group.

@OnlyTheTitosaurusOfTheIceberg

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I don’t have anyone to vote for 😢

Same

@Shambolicatthleast

Privileged m/c women financially comfortable enough to weather the economic storm of brexit/covid/austerity who are prepared to let other less fortunate women suffer. Ask women on NMW, zero hours, no real increase in benefits for years, zero investment in schools and NHS, crime rife, career opportunities for young women and men minimal in deprived areas but 'boris' and the tories are preferable. Mind boggles.

I am one of those less fortunate women you speak of. You do not speak on behalf of us! I am no longer voting Labour because of this exact issue. If I can choose to do this, why can't the "privileged middle class women" choose this as well? Labour don't give a shit about me as a woman, and what about the world my daughter will grow up in? Financial policies come and go, but once you set a precedent with the GRA it's fucking hard to claw that back.

This would be the first time I'd not voted Labour, in nearly 35 years. I would never vote Tory, not for any party that was going to give my rights away.

It feels wrong to me not to vote at all but who is there to vote for?

@Westerman

This would be the first time I'd not voted Labour, in nearly 35 years. I would never vote Tory, not for any party that was going to give my rights away.

It feels wrong to me not to vote at all but who is there to vote for?

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Me!

Straight from the TRA prompt sheet. Deliberately don't bother to read what is actually said. Replace considered responses with tropes such as you don't want tran people to exist. Or bigot. Really it's not even worth debating with responses like this. They're not here to learn anything new. They're here for one purpose only.

The irony when the GC prompt sheet is being used

The irony when the GC prompt sheet is being used

Interesting. What would you say is on the GC prompt sheet?

Waits...

I won't be voting Labour at the next election unless some serious change happens within the party.

I always say this, but this isn't about a single issue for me. Yes, the issue of self-ID is important for me, but much more than that, I have found it quite frankly terrifying the utter stupid shit that these politicians have come out with in order to stick to the dogma of trans ideology. The lack of critical thinking and basic judgement really has been astounding. Dawn Butler saying that babies are born without a sex, David Lammy saying that with the right hormones and surgery men can fucking grow a cervix, Alex Sobel saying that he doesn't think women are entitled to any single sex provision at all and if you have an issue with that he doesn't want your bigoted vote anyway, and of course, Lisa Nandy saying that she thinks that if a male rapist wants to go to a female prison then he should be allowed to.

They cannot believe this utter shite, but the fact they are willing to say it in order to look good to, I don't even know who tbh, just really worried me. If they are willing to abandon all credibility on this particular issue in the name of ideology, then what does that say about them as politicians and as a party for other issues as well?

This posted earlier - does anyone have a similar one for Lib Dems please?

I will likely reluctantly vote labour because our Tory MP is a vile piece of work on a every level and no other party has a snowball’s chance in hell here

I honestly don't know know who to vote for, they're all at it.

The recent judicial review which acknowledges that female prisoners being imprisoned with transwomen, including convicted sex offenders, are at risk but this is less important than affirming transwomen's 'right' to socialise with women. www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-57692993.amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16427920905561&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fuk-57692993. The Scottish prison service make no delineation between those who hold a GRC and those who do not. James Morton of the Scottish Trans Alliance stated - 'We strategized – we strategized – that by working intensively with the Scottish Prison Service to support them to include trans women as women on a self-declaration basis within very challenging circumstances, we would be able to ensure that all other public services should be able to do likewise’. This is essentially an experiment on some of the most vulnerable women in society.

In Scotland, elected officials argued against traumatised survivors of rape being able to request a female examiner, which had been suggested under the '6 words' amendment
[https://www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,six-little-words-for-the-word-gender-substitute-sex]

The Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre have no single sex services. At all. There are countless anedoctal examples of women self excluding from the service due to that reason. The job description for the role of CEO at the Centre invoked a single sex occupational requirement which was then ignored and a transwoman was employed in the role. The example given earlier about a woman not being able to access a rape crisis service mentioned the fact that despite the service being legally allowed to provide a single sex service under the Equality Act 2010, they chose not to in favour of offering a men's group, a women's group (though mixed sex in practice) and a dedicated trans/non binary group. They had been asked to provide, in addition to these groups, a single sex group. They refused. Despite the Equality Act allowing exemptions for single sex services, some organisations are ignoring this or conflating gender with sex.

The Scottish Government are changing the definition of the word woman. They have already removed the word mother from their maternity policy, after lobbying by Stonewall www-scotsman-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/scottish-governments-deletion-of-the-word-mother-from-maternity-leave-documents-after-advice-from-stonewall-is-lunacy-brian-wilson-3429706?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16427935871216&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scotsman.com%2Fnews%2Fopinion%2Fcolumnists%2Fscottish-governments-deletion-of-the-word-mother-from-maternity-leave-documents-after-advice-from-stonewall-is-lunacy-brian-wilson-3429706

Women's right to peacefully protest in Scotland is being removed. Kirkcaldy Police investigated stickers saying 'women won't wheesht' on lampposts as a hate crime. Pictures of ribbons are apparently a hate crime. Women had activists scream 'witch' directly and aggressively in their faces with no intervention from the Police. Joanna Cherry had credible rape threats made against her by a member of the SNP and the First Minister has not made any comment to condemn this.

I'll never vote Conservative. But neither will I ever vote SNP, Green or Lib Dem.