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If we have to vote this year or the next, women who will not vote Labour due to the GRA raise your hand

670 replies

TerraNovaTwo · 20/01/2022 20:54

As above

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LumosSolem · 21/01/2022 07:18

Me.

Always voted labour but wouldn't now.

Have hated what the country has become under the tories over the past decade but I can't vote for a party whose leader says it's wrong to say a woman has a cervix.

Live in a Tory seat with a massive majority anyway and tbf our local MP is good and has indicated tactfully to me he agrees with my stance on womens issues.

I just won't vote at the next election though. There's no one I would want to vote for.

ohfook · 21/01/2022 07:20

I don't know. I couldn't bring myself to vote Tory and I don't want to waste my vote. I think Labour probably will be the way I'll vote but it won't be an easy choice this year. I wish we had more of a choice to be honest.

MaverickSnoopy · 21/01/2022 07:29

I've spent years saying I won't vote Labour because of this. I can't vote Tories though, I'm too aghast with them. So I need to think. I may end up voting tactically against Tories. I think if Labour get in then it will have to be protests etc to protect women's spaces and identity.

Phrenologistsfinger · 21/01/2022 07:38

Me - same goes for greens and lib dems. I spoilt last ballot by writing “woman = adult human female” on it.

Phrenologistsfinger · 21/01/2022 07:39

I could never vote tory either. Homeless politically.

Tinabn · 21/01/2022 07:48

If you vote Labour and they form the government you will have the right to protest about their policies, if you support the Conservatives by voting for them, not voting or spoiling your ballot paper you maintain a faction who don’t care what sex you are if you are not wealthy and a donor to the party, they will screw you over for their friends.
Look at the bigger picture, women are suffering under this government, trying to support their families and juggle low incomes and prices rising all around them, zero hour contracts, NHS being brought to its knees BEFORE the pandemic, get them out, help everyone and then fight for women’s rights in a political forum that won’t use them as a dead cat to turn peoples attention away from the crap they are heaping on everyone.

awesomekilick · 21/01/2022 07:49

It's interesting that one impact of the trans rights movement, which I see in short as men shoving women aside (as usual but in a novel way) and reducing women's agency, is this disenfranchisement of women. Men will become the majority voters if this goes on.

OneSugar1 · 21/01/2022 07:50

Me.

Also left the party because of it.

ExtraOnion · 21/01/2022 07:51

I’ll be voting Labour. For me, it’s not about one policy, but about a bigger picture. As much as I disagree with Gender trumping Sex, it’s just one thing I’ll be thinking of when casting my vote. I’ll also be thinking about who I believe will do better with health, with education, and with supporting other groups of vulnerable people.
I don’t do single issue politics

EishetChayil · 21/01/2022 07:52

I've defected to the Communist Party, who are the only gender critical party on the left, as far as I'm aware.

Alexandra2001 · 21/01/2022 07:53

@MrBlobbyLivesNextDoor

Women's rights are not under threat by the proposed changes to the GRA. And Tories will soon be in favour of self-ID too. You can't stop it. Overcome your prejudice.

Yes women's rights are under threat. Overcome your prejudice towards women and women's safety.

Ridiculous reading the comments on here, i ve asked twice for anyone to tell me whats Labours official policy on Trans is and no one can... because there isn't one, its yet to be decided, so stop moaning and start badgering Labour....

I do suspect a lot of the people saying they wont vote Labour etc wouldn't anyway.

There are 34 trans in womens prisons, thats happened under a tory govt, going on about womens refuges losing funding if they wont accept a trans... but what about the 100s of refuges that have closed since 2010 ??? or the 1000s of women denied a proper pension? the 3 women killed per week by men? the 3 year wait for a rape trial? Surestart closed, women taxed for have a panic room, the Met, acting on Patels orders to bash a few women at the Sarah Everard vigil.

Don't care about any of that, as you spoil your vote or abstain.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 21/01/2022 07:57

@steff13 the Hmm was because you obviously misread my question which was merely to ask whether people were in those groups and my follow up post in which I explained I was curious to know whether the posters were speaking as part of those groups or on behalf of them.
You have jumped to incorrect conclusions and been rude.

olivehater · 21/01/2022 08:02

No.

Tory party is the only party that appears to want to protect women’s rights. That’s the most important long term issue to me. The rest is mostly short term issues. So I will be voting Tory is Boris goes. Not sure if I I will vote if he stays.

Plantpot75 · 21/01/2022 08:03

Me.

IncompleteSenten · 21/01/2022 08:06

Me.
Sometimes, a 'single issue' is so important that it is worth focusing on.

Clymene · 21/01/2022 08:10

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FemaleAndLearning · 21/01/2022 08:11

Labour have lost me. Their doubling down on gender identity ideology does nothing for women and girls other than it reinforces sexist gender stereotypes.

LaChanticleer · 21/01/2022 08:12

I’m totally torn. I just don’t think I could vote Tory. I live in a Labour seat with a tiny majority and an MP I admire with a good record (sensible moderate not a Corbynite or anti-Semite). But I gather he’s likely to be all TWAW. I may have to get up my courage and ask to see him about this matter.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2022 08:12

It's clear from the screenshot below where 3 members of the shadow cabinet, including Keir Starmer make their views plain, it's clear in the number of transwomen who have completed the Jo Cox Women in Leadership programme, it's clear from the way that they have hung Rosie Duffield out to dry.

Exactly.

Alexandra2001 · 21/01/2022 08:14

@Clymene No you don't because MPs individual views are not "Policy" there isn't a GE yet, when there is, then you'll know their policies.

You might not the truth and then tell me to fuck off but thats a reflection on you not me.

Shambolicatthleast · 21/01/2022 08:16

@Alexandra2001 absolutely. I put that same fact regarding the number of trans women in prisons to someone on a different thread and there was a deathly silence. I find it sad that so many have made their minds up yet labour haven't even released any actual policy details. I guess most people on here can afford to live comfortably under the tories and their economic policies.

ilovesooty · 21/01/2022 08:21

@Tinabn

If you vote Labour and they form the government you will have the right to protest about their policies, if you support the Conservatives by voting for them, not voting or spoiling your ballot paper you maintain a faction who don’t care what sex you are if you are not wealthy and a donor to the party, they will screw you over for their friends. Look at the bigger picture, women are suffering under this government, trying to support their families and juggle low incomes and prices rising all around them, zero hour contracts, NHS being brought to its knees BEFORE the pandemic, get them out, help everyone and then fight for women’s rights in a political forum that won’t use them as a dead cat to turn peoples attention away from the crap they are heaping on everyone.
Not forgetting that the Tories are removing the right to peaceful protest.
Alexandra2001 · 21/01/2022 08:23

@Shambolicatthleast Yes agree, people seem to be just jumping on a band wagon, with no actually evidence of what Labours official position is or how Labour policy is decided.

Having a fixed position on how you will vote 2 or 3 years ahead of any GE is perhaps a little unwise, especially before seeing any actual policies.

HailAdrian · 21/01/2022 08:29

I think pp have asked but I can't see any answers, what are their actual POLICIES re gender identity and trans people?

HaroldMeeker · 21/01/2022 08:33

@Waitwhat23

And up here in Scotland, it's the left wing parties who are determinedly destroying women's rights. The likelihood of the Tories ever getting any kind of foothold here is slim to none. But yet, women's rights are being destroyed.
Precisely. The snp are twaw and those of us who find we don't like our right to single sexed spaces being stripped from us are, to quote Mhairi Black, "Jeremy Hunts".
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